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Originally posted by I Am The Game Please note that JonL designed the first set of Marvel. Yes, the set with starting attacks of 12, and ending defenses of 10. Expect a lot more front-loaded figures this time around.
IC's LE's were Vet+, so these will be also. Dunno about you, but I'm much happier this way. Garbage + extra point cost = bigger garbage. I had to twist people's arms to give away prize support lately, I'm glad they're back to the style that works.
Umm Jon L had nothing to do with the stats with IC.
He barely had anything to do with CT. His first set was XP then CJ and lastly CM.
The funny thing is that despite the new rules, Corsair get two pointless ranged attacks with only 1 damage (without any Incapacitate or EE...). Allow RCE+multi target ranged attacks now!
Warren will never see the game board unless it is with a theme team. There are much better options out there for 71 points (Human Torch and Deathbird)
Kraven is a good figure and could see some play. I sure hope my opponents play him, because 90 points is a lot of point for a figure with only 6 clicks. He suffers from the curse of incapacitate overcosting and isn't worth the points.
Originally posted by Paptimus The funny thing is that despite the new rules, Corsair get two pointless ranged attacks with only 1 damage (without any Incapacitate or EE...). Allow RCE+multi target ranged attacks now!
Agreed. This is the 3rd or so figure since the new rules that has multi-targets and only 1 damage (I can think of Stix and Arwyn LE as the others). Arwyn can at least use her EE with the multi-targets, but Stix and Corsair (his LE at least) are left with a wasted ability that needlessly adds to their cost.
Yes I know about the "if you happened to miss one you could still hit the other" rationale. Then after this happens, the thought comes to your head, "I should have just attacked that one with RCE for 3 damage instead."
It'd really be nice if they let RCE be used with multiple targets. I keep hoping it's an oversight, but still no word from the bigwigs...
The options re: multiple targets and 1 damage are:
1) perplex base damage up, 1 perplex makes base 2 damage and then split the 2 how you will,
or
2) enhancement, 1 enhance does 1 damage to each target so that you do 1 to 1st target and 2 to second target.
This option is most likely if you have RCE outwitted. It isn't a great option snice you need support to do anything, but it is an option.
Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington No we don't. I still hate the figure, even in blue-face. The dial is a different story, but then I didn't complain about the archangel dial hints either. So for the record, I still absolutely hate this Warren scuplt.
That is why I'll use my modded Angel figure (instead of the leather freak) on an official Angel base. Of course he still needs to be painted (going for the classic red and white outfit), but he is built. Pics of him available in my signature link.
Originally posted by Greenandgold Warren will never see the game board unless it is with a theme team. There are much better options out there for 71 points (Human Torch and Deathbird)
I don't know about that, the double incap with running shot might make him the best taxi in the game (dang low av). Swoop in drop your fig off then incap two based figures and put them in a bad situation.
Entirely happy with the others, of course, but hip hip hooray !
CORSAIR !!!
I don't care what his stats are - he just has to be played 'cos he looks and is so cool...now give us the rest of the Starjammers, the Imperial Guard, Lilandra, and the
Shi-ar Generics !
Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington No we don't. I still hate the figure, even in blue-face. The dial is a different story, but then I didn't complain about the archangel dial hints either. So for the record, I still absolutely hate this Warren scuplt.
I totally agree !!
a blob of blue paint does not a different sculpt make.
I would have liked Angel on a Vulture base better, IF his sculpt would have been better.
Kraven looks awesome though !
the extremely cool Lion-suit, here's hoping the REV's get poison...
Finally A outwit fig I can use !!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Phantom Wow... Corsair and Val-Or kinda blow, but both of the Marquee prizes are just obscene! 12-square running shot with two-bolt Incap? Stealth, Toughness, 17 defense, and three clicks of Outwit with 3 damage and an 11AV?
The only thing I don’t like about Kraven is that he’s by far the most capable Spider-Man villain we’ve seen. He can tear apart both Spidey’s rogues and any version of Spidey released to date without too much trouble, when... well, it’s KRAVEN. He shouldn’t be more of a threat than Doc Ock or the Green Goblin! I’m sorry, but NO!
Corsair... bleh. The Willpower is nice, but he’s got that stupid two-bolt, one-damage attack with no EE or Incap to justify it. Wizkids has NO excuse for doing that sort of thing anymore, because it’s simply a useless design decision that drives up the price of the fig without doing anything for its utility.
hello mr.powergamer...
why do Corsair and Moloid "blow" ?
Oh wait they don't have 12 RS, please go play with MK-figs whom have NO background-story instead of Heroclix-the-FAN-based game.
yes I said FAN-based, because obviously some people don't get it.
the REAL Green Goblin and Doc Ock could wipe the floor with Spidey powerwise as can Kraven (which he did BTW, so did the GG and Doc Ock and Venom) Spiderman had to go all out to beat them.
Corsair is a Pirate, that's it !!
He's just a Normal human with a highly powered plasma/something gun and a sword (hence the RCE with 1 damage/BCF's).
should he get 1 damage? YES
the Willpower is pushing it, IMHO.
Harr,harr there be Pirates here !!
Oh wait let's just give EVERY figure with 2 targets EE/Inc.
while we're at it why not give ALL melee figs BCF's...
Go play with your Indyclix please and leave us (the real FANS) alone !
Originally posted by Greenandgold Warren will never see the game board unless it is with a theme team. There are much better options out there for 71 points (Human Torch and Deathbird)
Kraven is a good figure and could see some play. I sure hope my opponents play him, because 90 points is a lot of point for a figure with only 6 clicks. He suffers from the curse of incapacitate overcosting and isn't worth the points.
Can I have your Warren then ?
hmmmm..... theme teams , Oh wait this ISN'T MK,MW,maybe there are some people around here whom are FANS of the Character !!!!!!!!!!?
Even In MK I will ONLY play Orcs/MS, yes I know other factions have a better fig for most figs/pointcosts I use, BUT I play with my own figs.
Can I have your Kraven then ?
I promise to play him when we play, OK ?!
Kraven is expensive then again he also got:
a Whopping 11 AV (which IS high) and it only goes down slowly.
Inc. yep it's expensive, But it's an extra utility ( ), and he can use his outwit elsewhere.
did I mention he has Stealth ? with a whopping 10 move !
17 defence WITH toughness is really high.
Plus that 11att can actually hit a 17 most the time, where as Batman's 9 is going to need an 8... Give us a Knightsend Bats w/ 11att... He doesn't need Incap... I'll take BCF, w/ a 6 range, 2damage w/ outwit, & an 11 att....
Gah, what is the point of giving someone 2 arrows with only 1 base damage the entire dial? Perplexin an enhancin would make him able to use that, but otherwise I think its a total waste for poor Corsair.