Im hoping the Ghost Rider LE is somehow better than his Veteran... Like Lack of Smoke Cloud for one

Capt.'s shield is made of a Vibranium/adamantium mix, so it absorbs the vibrations that would regularly tear someone in half...........that way it can take a hit from the hulk or superman or thor and not desintegrate Capt.'s arm, and he can stand there and not deal with the knock back.

Beyond that comic book logic applies, it happens because it happens-it's not real life it's a comic book.

"A guy that puts his feet to the dirt and holds his shield to block stuff is not impv though his shield is. So if he his holding his shield out and the hulk, superman, or thor with his hammer is banging away I am expected to believe that his arms and or fingers will not break or he will not be knocked backwards because not only does the shield take the damage but it magicaly transfers the force and shock elsewhere so he does not feel it?"

Cap's shield, at least in regular marvel universe, is a unique compound of adamantium and vibranium (There might be something else in it too. Can't remember for sure.). This does allow it to absorb the force of a blow without trasfering any of the energy to its holder. This is a special property of the shield. Think of it like an inertial dampener.

A maul is a large hammer, like a sledge hammer, but primarily used as a weapon.....

But now the qwuestion you should be asking is if Capt's shield is made of the Vib/Admant mix and can absorb blows then how the heck does it bounce all over the place when Capt. throws it?.......It should by the logic I stated, hit a wall and fall to the ground and wobble a bit, not fly back to his arm, or bounce from bad guy to bad guy............

Answer is simple.........

The Vib/Admant mix is condensed in the middle of the shield and as you get closer to the shields edge it becomes more pure Admantium, which allows the throwing and bouncing and hitting of the bad guys and then zinging back to capt's arm.

Comic book logic is the BEST logic around!!!

Lessee, my 2 c:

Spidey: Really Awesome cheap version. Nice representation of the Ultimate Version, although I probably will only play the Vet (if I want cheaper, I will play the Universe Experienced one)

Ghost Rider: Well, take away the Smoke cloud and replace it with something more like Psychic Blast and Incap and and throw some regen at the end, I would have been truely happy. As it is, he's alright. I'll play him.

Cap: What hasn't been said? This is one mighty Cap, and I like him.

Wolvie: Sad, so sad. You have Logan with a slightly higher attack value, with no Stealth, and less Toughness up top. EW is one power that I would have been very happy to see him have, as well as Charge on that opening click. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Doc Oc: Eh. I'll play the original any day of the week over this one. Cheap Outwit on the rookie is nice, but with no defense help, low attack values, and alround suckiness, probably won't play him past the Marquee.

Oh well. Here's hoping they have some more new characters for this set to make it truely stand out.

LITTLE shield? I am not a Marvel zombie by any means...I prefer DC, but this figure is not on the "toughness level" of KC, SOD, OWAW Supes. First you say he is overpowered, then he "isn't that great." One or the other please!

A BIG HONKIN' Hammer (think sledgehammer, but the head is about 5 times bigger. Real good for bashing stuff.)

I do not know if this goes for the Ultimate Caps shield but in the regular Marvel universe his shield is made up of several different metals, one of them being VIBRANIUM (not even going to touch on the A********M thing with a ten foot pole ) and is quite possibly one of the most indestructable items in existance.

Vibraniums main attribute is that it absorbs impacts, vibrations, etc.... A sheet of Vibranium the thickness of Aluminum foil is able to absorb the force of large caliber bullets and stop them. My interpretation of giving Cap Impervious is because of the unique compisition of his shield. Hulk swings at Cap, Cap manages to get his shield up in time and his shield absorbs the impact (pretty much seems to be impervious to me.)

Okay lets say you miss the impervious roll, I think this represents that Cap was able to partially deflect the blow, but still may take damage from a sufficient source.

All in all, I think Impervious was pretty much the perfect way to represent Caps shield (much better than ESD alone.)

That is just my take though

He is overpowerd for what Capn' should be. I felt I was pretty clear. His stats are a little too much and Impervious is a little too far. I know the exactly what the sheild is made of, and I've read plenty of comics with Capn' blocking all kinds of poweful things with it. Deflecting them in fact...as in Energy SHIELD deflection. He should have simply had more of that and plain old toughness.

I summed it up...at least we get a nice 400 pts NEW FANTASTIC FOUR:

Logan (v) - 60
Ghost Rider (v) - 93
Hulk (CM) (Prof. Hulk from FF#374) - 149
Spider-Man (v) (CM) - 88
Paramedic (e) - 10

Exactly 400

If only GR had no Smoke Cloud...(well there's hope for the LE!!!)

Spidey rules. I would love to see a six range though and two lighting bolts. It's not like he swings from 2-story skys####ers (that's an oxymoron).

Add another to the list of people angry about Smoke Cloud on Ghost Rider. He has never created a cloud of smoke. Ever. Energy Explosion would have been better to represent turning his chain into a hail of shuriken. Also, why so much Incapacitate? If that's supposed to be the penance stare (and PBlast/Exploit Weakness would have been better), he shouldn't have more than once click of it.

At least the activation click keeps him cheap. A lot of stats for not many points.

Everything else looks good. Thumbs up soldier!

Boy that's really stupid. They "####"ed skyscarpers (sic on purpose). What a load of poop. <---That won't be "####"ed.

300 pt. New FF:

104 U-Mr. Fixit (if you're gonna do it, do it right!)
40 E-Spider-Man (Universe)
60 V-Logan
93 V-Ghost Rider

297

Now that's Cap!!!

Cap rocks!!!!!! I can't wait to get him!!

The other figs are ok, but my biggest complaint, just like a lot of other people, is that GR has SMOKE CLOUD for abso-freakin-lutely NO REASON!!!!! Who is he providing cover for? Himself? He has no stealth!!!! Does GR ever take cover in anything in the comics? No! He just takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!!! Why not just give him pulse wave or even BCF? You could make a better argument for BCF instead of Smoke Cloud for GR.

I won't let this travesty of GR's dial take away from my excitement though. The GR sculpt relatively up close on WK site makes it look like one of the best ever.