You make a point in that ringing false -- Batman, Captain Paranoia, giving the reins to some mook he just met?

From a different universe?

Yeeeeeah.

A wounded, bleeding Cap still did it.

I've said Slade is stronger, but Cap is closer to him, than Batman is to Cap.

it was already said but

cap is immune to hypnosis and teargas/smoke and other distracting elements

Captain America's awesomeness.

Put it simply... you cannot defeat Captain America. A temporary setback, sure. But death, time bullets, whatever happens, nothing stops Steve Rogers.

Period.

Sorry. I think Ultimates Cap would absolutely kill Batman. Bats may fight dirty, but Cap fights to win. If I remember correctly, Cap took down Ultimate Hulk with a kick to the rocks. If he gave Batman the boot, they'd still be waiting for bats to land. He would literally kill Batman. Dead.

Unless, possibly, it was Adam West. He could cripple Chuck Norris.

You guys are looking at this all wrong:

Double KO!

or alternatively

Rocky III Freeze Frame finish!

Ok, I gotta rep this.

Ah, Batman "fights to win," too. That's rather why he fights dirty. Whatever it takes, all that.

If Ultimates Cap could get a hand on Batman, sure. Bats would be screwed. It's doubtful things would get to that point, though.

This fight could go either way batman himself said so, im not saying one is better than the other, in fact I think they are one of the most even fights between the 2 universes you can find. So I can respect either choice. What I dont agree with at all is the word easily.

I think this fight would be incredible and whoever is victorious in the end is going to know he has been in the fight of his life, c'mon ABF give a hero his props.

Hah this is a great answer indeed. rep to you!

Depends how you look at it. Hand to hand, Cap would win. Skill-wise, they're probably equal, but Cap is juiced-up with SS serum. Bats is just "peak human". Bats however, like Tony Stark, is a genius inventor that has almost unlimited resources. Bats wins in that department.

I'm not trying to denegrate Cap with the Deathstroke stuff, it's just that people under-represent him all the time. That scene in Identity Crisis was not really out of step with his tactics or power level, though it could have been written better.

How exactly does one become immune to smoke? Sure, maybe his eyes are immune to it's sting, but Batman can still vanish into it.

Batman did not admit defeat in JLA/Avengers, he was just the wiser of the two. He just said in more elegant terms this:

"Ok, you MIGHT be able to beat me but we'd both be wasting time finding out who's the bigger dog OR we could go find out how to save the universe. You dig?"

In the meantime, Cap spent the entire mini-series whining at Superman for being a fascist, tyrannical super-being who lords over the common man.

Batman beats Cap out of sheer class-act alone. In an arm-wrestling match or swimming competition or weightlifting, yeah Steve would win. But no holds barred, straight out slobberknocker, Bruce beats Steve, swipes his shield, makes Bucky his apprentice and drags Sharon Carter into the cave for some Papa-spank action. Accept it.