Thor the reigning took on nightcrawler last night with two rounds of pulsewave. Thats it. Knocked him right past his first two clicks in two rounds and there was nothing NC could do. A pulsewave character getting tked into range. That has to be one of the most simple stratigies that I have ever seen a player do. I was playing x-men theme vers. an asguardian theme an nightcrawler was out of the equation in the first three rounds. I still won, but NC got stepped on so quick that it was not even funny!

I didn't realize Bullseye could shoot through walls.

As for Metron + Thing, Nightcrawler just breaks them apart so that the thing is stuck in hindering (or, ideally, through a couple walls), can't remove tokens from Metron, and is next to someone he needs to roll a 9 to hit (and metron shouldn't be able to see thing for PC), and NC has 2 saving throws.

I want to know why #05 Dr. Manhattan wasnt included in this.

In my honest opinion he is the most broken overpowered character. He has upwards of 3 chances to evade all damage, then if you got some PC on your team watch the hell out. I mean jesus, this guy has an entire dial of PB which makes any reducer moot. No outwit needed.

At least CSM and Nightcralwer are killable. Manhattan will refuse death and I strongly believe in the right hands he would never take a click of damage that wasnt pushed.

So to the OP, I vote neither. My choice wasnt listed.

The title of the thread is: MORE Broken: CSM OR NC

Doesn't say a darn thing about other minis. So if you wanna complain read the danger thread title so you can be versed on the thread topic.

No move-and-attack, no willpower, and no way to deal with stealth.

The only time I got to play Nightcrawler, I would say NC curb-stomped Dr. Manhattan. He just kept getting based by people, and all the martial artists with EW meant he was essentially a 276 point figure with super-senses.

That strategy would do just as well v. CSM to take him off his HSS clicks. Of course, it also doesn't address NC's ability to heal back up with the X-Man TA...

it also assumes that Thor somehow gets an advantageous map (i.e., no walls). Which means either NC didn't have theme (which means the player did it wrong), or it was a huge point game (which is sort of moot, as the designers have decided to ignore balance with anything over 300 point games).

The matchup doesn't indicate much--any figure can look horrible if the person playing him isn't any good.

True. If NC gets map choice, he should be playing in the prison with a Kinetic Accelerator, keeping him out of reach a good deal of the time...

What about Crisis E2 Supes?

cosmic spidey = run and shoot all day. nightcrawler can be one hitted