Even though I'm against all that is YUGIOH, if they make yugi/dmag and kaiba bewd duos ill get em. I played the game for 7+ years so there will be nostalgic pieces that I must have

Yeah, most Yu-Gi-Oh players I've met are terrible people, to the point to where the local card shop stopped holding tournaments because of the constant fights and stealing (at one point, some 30+ year old guy pulled a knife on a 13 year old and the cops were called). If Clix gets that player base, it might get really ugly really fast.

There is a whole set (hobby set , CTD, FF, bix bog store set) worth of Jack Kirby 4th World characters to be explored...I enjoy the Big Barda but there is much more.

Go search on YouTube for Yu-Gi-Oh player arrested. There are multiple videos of players getting arrested for stealing and kicked out of regional events for threatening players. There is one video of a kid getting arrested because he punched holes in the wall because his cards got stolen. One where a player punches a chair then puts his fist into the other players face and says that should have been your face, then gets kicked out. Now not all players are like that or that bad. But if it's actually a thing to have videos like that on YouTube then it really isn't a stereotype. More like reality. I've seen Yu-Gi-Oh on the local level and it may not be that bad, but it's definitely a accurate representation of more of the player base then it should be.

It has nothing to do with anyone thinking HeroClix is better then other games. It's just that we don't want the HeroClix community to turn into that.

What the hell is wrong with those people!?!? I actually looked and there are dozens of vids on youtube of YuGiOh players freaking out, getting arrested, stealing cards, fighting over cards.

Holy crap! Does Wizkids realize what they are bringing into our game?!? I don't want anything to do with that kind of insanity.

remember the guy not long ago that dressed up as batman and climbed up the palace in london?

all those people who like comic books and characters associated with them are all terrible people...

/sarcasm

When Heroclix gets banned at a local store due to constant stealing and physical fights, then you'd have a leg to stand on there, chuckles. But until that happens, we kind of have the "evidence" on our side to be a little leery of this, you know?

....actually it did at one of the stores here (granted partially due to the owner doing some shady things, but still)

Ok, that's fine. There's one instance of it happening. Does anyone have any others, because now I'm really curious as to the rates of fighting between the two games.

I know this is "circumstantial evidence," but in my quick searches on Youtube, there were no results for "player arrested Heroclix," while "player arrested yugioh" netted me 60. Not saying that means anything, but there it is.

while it wasn't in the same class as fighting, the first venue i ever went to recently canceled all their tournaments for clix because the players were getting exceedingly whiny and becoming self entitled until the store finally got sick of it, and now the nearest location that will do anything with it is 60 miles away (used to live there, now i judge/play here)

What I am saying is that all you have are examples. Most likely, you only have experience about a small fraction of all the players, and one that doesn't really represent the whole - for example, only those that go to venues and play on tournaments, and not all the people that play only at home with friends, kids that play at school, people that don't go to tournaments for disliking the people you saw...
It is valid to use those experiences to conclude that the "playing enviroment" (the competitiveness, lack of integration, even lack of ethics) of the game is not cool - for you at least. Or that the local players are terrible. But saying something like "I don't want YGO players to start playing Clix" is... harsh. It's not like being a YGO player makes anyone a bad person after all.

As a counter-example, when I was in high school a lot of students played the game during lunch, and it was perfectly cool.

Anyway, there is plenty to hate on this release besides the YGO players. :P

Because it is so ridiculous to take one tabletop game and transform it into another... you all sound really dick-judgy right now.

Man, this thread is a nice reality check for me. See, I played Yugioh for years. Loved the card game, loved the source material (moreso when the characters engaged in any game of chance rather than just the cards), and I still love watching Yugioh Abridged (funniest abridged channel on youtube right now). I had a group of friends who also played, and we loved the hell out of it. When out interest in the game died, I made the transition to another collectible strategy game: Heroclix. Sad to see that if I had mentioned my past love of Yugioh I would have been shunned by several players here. Love the open minded approach people are taking.

And before everyone cites examples of people cheating/causing problems amongst the Yugioh crowd, do I really need to remind folks how many threads we get on hcrealms about folks cheating (lots) or about folks getting unreasonable and violent (a few)? It's not like the fanbase for Heroclix is some spotless group of altruistic angels.

I say it's best to just wait and see which kind of Yugioh fans get attracted to your local Heroclix events. If they're relatively normal people, all well and good. If they have disruptive personalities, your judge should just handle it the way that he/she would with any other troublesome player.


On a more positive note, if we get monsters I hope we get Relinquished. I love that weird alien bug-looking design.

Do you actually HEAR YOURSELF?

I think if Heroclix had as large a player base as YuGiOh you'd see the same sort of players. Its not the game itself that causes the fights, stealing, etc, its the popularity of the game that draws a larger crowd and thus increases the possibility for people with issues.

At the venue I frequent there is on average 6-8 Heroclix players that show up for an event. There is on average 25-30 players that show up for a YuGiOh event which tends to climb to 50+ for the major events. Your bound to get some unstable people with those numbers.