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Dude, in all honesty anyone who bothers to learn the nonsense that is the rules of Heroclix well enough to sit and try and mediate the menagerie of man-children that still play this game deserves far more than just prize.
You're very generous in what you attribute to judges in general. Very generous.
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We had a new venue open in town. They wanted to run Heroclix weekly and were looking for a Judge. I wanted in on that sweet, sweet free stuff so I asked my regular Judge what it was all about:
"I spend 15-30 minutes, 5 days a week, looking at rulings, errata, and updating my binder."
"I spend 30-45 minutes a week creating an event, emailing it, and posting it on the WIN."
"I spend 3-4 hours a week, watching other people play Heroclix and correcting their misunderstandings."
"I spend 45-1hr a week getting the venue square on what to order and cleaning up after players."
So I did the math:
Minimum: 5.5 hours a week, without any fancy 4 month events with extra paperwork... Most OP Kits are $15 or less on the Bay. So that means he is doing this for $0.68 an hour... He has way more love and free-time than I do.
$#@! that and bless him!
1. That little amount of time per week looking at errata is low for someone who plays the game at all, never mind a judge. <edit: nevermind missed the "five days" part, but I still feel that is par for the course for someone who plays, not just judges>
2. Why are you cleaning up after players? Thats just weird.
Waller KOs: AA Robin, Kid Devil, Joker, Question; AW E Cap; FCBD Iron Man; Miracle/Oberon; John Stewart x2, Iron Patriot; Shatterstar; IH Herc; CW Photon & Nitro; FF Nite Owl; 10An R Thor, E Iron Man, Weapon X; FF Kilowog; Hugo Strange; Calender Man; Legion Cosmic Boy & Lightning Lad, LE Pete Wisdom
You're very generous in what you attribute to judges in general. Very generous.
I'm sure there's outliers, but my statement covers the bell curve of this game's player base well.
A good example is this thread. The reality is no one should care about prize support. If the game was good enough just playing it would be worth the value of a buy in and the booster contents.
But it's not, is it? The rules are dumb and just playing it can seem like a chore. So everyone needs more of an incentive to play, don't they? So they start an internet gripe about someone who had to sit through four months of watching others allegedly "have a good time" while mediating the nonsensical rules deciding they deserve compensation by taking a few pieces that won't hold any value. Oh, is that wrong? Was paying X amount of dollars to get out of the house and play a tabletop game with others in a social setting not worth it? I guess not.
None of that seems like adult behavior in relation to a game. Seems more like babytown diaper frolics from the instant gratification needing majority of the clix player base.
1st Off I would like to add that I believe Judges do a lot for a venue and its player base some examples include Marketing,advertising,recruiting, teaching,Running events Posting results answering all questions and making spot on decisions if needed basically I believe a venue is only as good as its Judge. Lucky for me in MD there quite a few venues I ve been to and I really can t think of any bad ones that stand out. I believe a Judge should be rewarded for his efforts so in the case of The Civil War Monthly OP and if I was still judging it's 4 months of my time and I would expect to get a full set of GP LEs for my time however I also would be buying boosters ever month to support the venue that supports me only playing as a buy. I would not per take in the Player's grand prize draft. If I was getting a set I would not play at any other venue but that's just me.
I wanted however to give a quick example of the 6 places I did play in The Civil War Monthly OP only 2/6 venues put up both sets of GP LEs but 1 of those 2 stopped drafting after top 8 picked to make prizes available at a later date so technically they only put 1 up. 2 of the remaining 4 only 5 people showed up so with Capri Sun Packs was able to draft 2 GP figures per these events. 1 place put everything that day on the line in the GP draft which added a SR Venom to the equation and also did 1-4 and 1-4 into a snake draft. The last venue didn t do the math every month so basically if you won month 4 you got 1st pick 1-4 and again 1-4 GP figures. So I m pretty sure 4/6 venues the Judges got a GP Pack and good 4 them cause they all did a great job and were there every month on time and ready to Rock.
In closing my only problem is I was 1st 2/6 and got 2nd 2/6 and was 3rd or lower 2/6. I didn t like prizing for the ones I placed 1st I actually felt like more of a winner in the ones I place 3rd or lower.
Thanks for reading sorry for the mini rant lol!
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I'm sure there's outliers, but my statement covers the bell curve of this game's player base well.
A good example is this thread. The reality is no one should care about prize support. If the game was good enough just playing it would be worth the value of a buy in and the booster contents.
But it's not, is it? The rules are dumb and just playing it can seem like a chore. So everyone needs more of an incentive to play, don't they? So they start an internet gripe about someone who had to sit through four months of watching others allegedly "have a good time" while mediating the nonsensical rules deciding they deserve compensation by taking a few pieces that won't hold any value. Oh, is that wrong? Was paying X amount of dollars to get out of the house and play a tabletop game with others in a social setting not worth it? I guess not.
None of that seems like adult behavior in relation to a game. Seems more like babytown diaper frolics from the instant gratification needing majority of the clix player base.
How many of your children has heroclix murdered, Deez? Your comments get weirder with every post, almost reminds me of myself and I'm getting embarrassed for both of us.
Yeah, no. If judging is actual work that requires compensation, then the store should staff it. Compensation equals paycheck. Otherwise, a volunteer should not have that kind of power over product the store paid for. If they wanted compensation, then they should apply for a job.
And so here is the question, who came first, the judge or the customer. The customer came first. It created the demand for the judge.
So who comes first? The judge or the customer? The customer yet again. I mean, you can organize all you want, but it means nothing If customers aren't coming in.
The customers even came before the store did. Customers created the market that a LGS is trying to capitalize on. The stores only goal is to make the customers happy with games.
And if splitting an extra prize kit gets these paying customers all excited? Yup, Split it. Why is this a discussion?
I would want these players back for the next tournament. Word of mouth can spread on all the figures these players won and can get more people interested (ok, positive word of mouth is a stretch).
Sounds a hell of a lot better than a judge and a customer got into an argument about being cheated on prizes though. Negative word of mouth on that guaranteed. Not just in the player getting angry, other customers witnessing that? Damage done to the game, possibly to the store.
I would say that the OP is evidence the customer isn't always right. But again, the point is missed that the player assumed that the second prize pack would be given out as well.
Did he ask the judge beforehand? Apparently not.
Did he ask the venue? Apparently not.
And that is his problem, not the judge and not the venue. But the venue has to bend over backwards to accommodate him?
What if the venue promised the second kit to the judge before the tournament as a reward for their work? And then the venue broke their promise to him and gave the kit out instead, leaving the judge with nothing? You don't think a bitter judge can spread more poison than a dissatisfied customer?
We don't know what the situation was, but making blanket assessments based on one person's hearsay is faulty at best.
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I do believe judges deserve Respect above all things, and also deserve Gratitude from players. Players deserve Fairness and Guidance, and also deserve getting back their money's worth.
I've read some unbelieveable stories about unfair judges and unsportsmanlike players here at HCR. Even in this thread there's players demanding that judges be rewarded and judges advocating or leaving prizes for the players.
It all comes down to the agreements and commitments of both judges and players. I think the middleground can only be reached through open, respectful and sincere communication.
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I'm sure there's outliers, but my statement covers the bell curve of this game's player base well.
A good example is this thread. The reality is no one should care about prize support. If the game was good enough just playing it would be worth the value of a buy in and the booster contents.
But it's not, is it? The rules are dumb and just playing it can seem like a chore. So everyone needs more of an incentive to play, don't they? So they start an internet gripe about someone who had to sit through four months of watching others allegedly "have a good time" while mediating the nonsensical rules deciding they deserve compensation by taking a few pieces that won't hold any value. Oh, is that wrong? Was paying X amount of dollars to get out of the house and play a tabletop game with others in a social setting not worth it? I guess not.
None of that seems like adult behavior in relation to a game. Seems more like babytown diaper frolics from the instant gratification needing majority of the clix player base.
Why are you playing the game if it's a chore to you, and why are you here if you aren't playing the game?
I ran Heroclix events weekly for a year during the hiatus with no incentive other than I really, really enjoy the game and wanted to make an environment for it to thrive.