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chase loki is a perfect type of thing for a chase. weird, experimental, interesting, potentially meta. that he plays into common loki is all the sweeter. it's an odd duck, a resource for your opponent, albeit carefully at your discretion. this is the monkey's paw in action. you can get your heart's desire but there's a price to be paid and you won't like it when the bill comes due. replacing this manipulator with a more combative dial is something i'll be stealing in a future design , but the twist of the knife is not just the upgrade and not just that they then lose those gifts, what i really like is the devil's bargain makes your opponent complicit. they'll now feel compelled to let loki run amok. can't stop him or fight him without losing your prize, without that dirty secret exposed, so you'll look the other way and this loki, who's no slouch, will get to have his way with the map. beware when loki smiles
He comes with gifts for the downtrodden (probably not the gifts you need and certainly not at a time that'd help ).....and he expects nothing in return..........BWAHAHAHAH, sorry I just couldn't keep a straight face.
Start that treasure train rolling cause this Loki is all about the gifts.
He's got a lot of great powers to lend, but the trick is to give them to figures that can't use them against you and just as importantly not a power that Loki's going to need.
Might I suggest that your opponents Battle Fury piece might benefit from some nice PPB or Running Shot.
That zero range support piece could use some Incap and their tie-up pog could use some Mastermind don't you think?
Just channel the worst Heroclix power layouts you've ever seen and let the mischief flow while the presents roll in.
This figure is beautifully Loki and is thematic as Nifelheim.
bah! stupid user cp failed to let me know another post was made
chase loki is a perfect type of thing for a chase. weird, experimental, interesting, potentially meta. that he plays into common loki is all the sweeter. it's an odd duck, a resource for your opponent, albeit carefully at your discretion. this is the monkey's paw in action. you can get your heart's desire but there's a price to be paid and you won't like it when the bill comes due. replacing this manipulator with a more combative dial is something i'll be stealing in a future design , but the twist of the knife is not just the upgrade and not just that they then lose those gifts, what i really like is the devil's bargain makes your opponent complicit. they'll now feel compelled to let loki run amok. can't stop him or fight him without losing your prize, without that dirty secret exposed, so you'll look the other way and this loki, who's no slouch, will get to have his way with the map. beware when loki smiles
Great gif. This Loki and Anodyne were the heart and soul of this set. This Loki was the most fun and the hardest to craft. Trying to keep the verbiage down while keeping everything in line was tough. I dropped so many caveats and clauses just to keep it simple and it still reads like War & Peace.
Oh well...
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channel whomever design captain comet, you say?
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Ahhh, I always felt so bad for that Captain Comet.
I really wanted to make that dial work, but....well it doesn't.
Don't get me started. Captain Clash more like it. Such a crap dial for a cool character.
Limited Edition #104 Lord of the Plants
Real Name: Phil Descard
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 30/10
Keywords: Berzerker, Mystical, Scientist
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Plants Will Thrive: Lord of Plants has a range value of 6. Incapacitate. Opposing characters within range can't use .
My Gift Is Plant Growth: FREE: Generate a hindering terrain marker within range and line of fire. If Lord of the Plants is on click #11, this is a POWER action instead.
IN THE BUSH (STEALTH)
GROWING ANYWHERE (SMOKE CLOUD)
VINES (EMPOWER)
10. michael flatley's gardner - it's amazing to me how big of a thing such a little thing like scuttling is. how extensive that wording is makes every square of bushes he pops onto the map a bold strategic statement from an understated power. this gives me hope for the legion of substitute heroes
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Uncommon #007 Heather Hudson
Real Name: Heather Hudson
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 25
Keywords: Alpha Flight
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Reforming Alpha Flight: At the beginning of the game, choose a keyword. Friendly characters with the Alpha Flight keyword modify defense +1 when targeted by character with the chosen keyword.
I Will Be That Leader: Leadership, but she can remove tokens from characters within 6 squares. When Heather Hudson rolls for Leadership, increase the result by 1 for each friendly character named Wolverine or Puck and decrease the result by 1 for each friendly character named Guardian or Northstar.
STAY OUT OF THE WAY! (STEALTH)
I NEED TRAINING (SIDESTEP)
I DON'T NEED TO BE PROTECTED (MASTERMIND)
LET'S SUCK IT UP AND DO OUR JOBS (WILLPOWER)
KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE (PERPLEX)
9. the senator's widow - inheriting her husband's job has never worked out so well. this dial is all about leading. not showboating, not doing it yourself, leading the dang team is her mission and by golly she's doing it. the singleminded purpose draws my attention but what wins me heart is the clever flavor. that her is a remix on the woefully abandoned ata (man give these guys a mapleleaf team symbol on the dial already! ) is sheer smarts and that her leadership sp gets bonuses (or penalties!) based on teammate dynamics? totally geeking out
Healing Factor: When Wolverine clears action tokens, heal him 1 click.
Berserker Madness: WEAKNESS: When Wolverine takes damage from an attack, roll a d6. If the result is equal to or less than the damage taken, Wolverine has Battle Fury and must use Blades/Claws/Fangs when he makes an attack until he clears action tokens.
X-Men Don't Kill: Blades/Claws/Fangs. WEAKNESS: When Wolverine uses Blades/Claws/Fangs and KO's an opposing character, adjacent friendly characters modify attack -1 and while Wolverine is on the map friendly characters can't use the X-Men team ability.
STALKING PREY (STEALTH)
I'LL FIND HER (CHARGE)
SAVAGE SIDE (FLURRY)
EASE OFF (PRECISION STRIKE)
ADAMANTIUM SKELETON (TOUGHNESS)
SCRAPPER (COMBAT REFLEXES)
ENHANCED SENSES (SUPER SENSES)
HEALING FACTOR INTO OVERDRIVE (REGENERATION)
ADAMANTIUM CLAWS (EXPLOIT WEAKNESS)
8. posterboy for overexposed - you got me! you actually got me wanting yet another wolverine dial. was it egregious power leap? nope! (pay attention, wk) it was clever use of character. the weakness mechanic is neat in concept, but it's best executed here and here's why. unlike the many dials modern wk has produced that turns a dial traitor or punishes you for playing the game (koing pieces) this dial absolutely has a work around. a four-letter word spelled r-e-s-t-r-a-i-n-t. he can 100% ko pieces without triggering the trait, he's just gotta be smart about it. it's the clever that gets me. clever design requiring clever play
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Rare #019 Puck
Real Name: Eugene Judd
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 60/35
Keywords: Alpha Flight, Mystical, Past, Soldier
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Tumbling: Sidestep
Keeping Trapped The Spirit of Black Razor: WEAKNESS: . When Puck would take pushing damage, roll a d6. 1-2: Instead deal Puck 2 pushing damage. // The first time Puck would be KO'd, instead generate a #019bt Black Razor bystander for your opponent's force, and turn Puck to click #5 and he ignores his WEAKNESS for the rest of the game.
Ricochette: Defense +1 when targeted by a close attack. When Puck is hit, he may choose to be knocked back equal to the attackers damage value. Puck does not take knock back damage.
Spinning Like A Hockey Puck: KNOCKBACK on close attacks and may knock back characters one size larger. When Puck moves, after resolutions, he may make a close attack targeting a character he has not hit this turn.
LEADING THE CHARGE (HYPERSONIC SPEED)
ACROBATIC MANEUVERS (CHARGE)
CAREER OF THE CAT BURGLAR (LEAP/CLIMB)
KNOW JUST WHERE TO HIT THEM (PRECISION STRIKE)
EXTENDED LIFE (TOUGHNESS)
#019bt Black Razor
Team: Mystics
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Steal Your Life: When Black Razor hits with a close attack, assign him a life token. // When Black Razor would take damage, you may instead clear life tokens and decrease the damage taken by 1 for each token cleared.
7. improbable athleticism lad - the concept of this dial, weaponized movement, making every move move&attack with the modest dmg just sucks me in, but it's the little details. the low move on the hss, the +1 to close to complement the bonus, the pushing penalty, the old school cr mechanic, the kb to agitate the whole dang map. and the demon pog coming out to remind me of story story story. such good work, man. speedball and bouncing boy eat your heart out
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Limited Edition #107 Beast Master
Real Name: Boyd Wilson
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 30/10
Keywords: Berzerker, Animal, Mystical, Scientist
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Animals Mine To Command: Mind Control as FREE, but only to target characters with the Animal keyword. If Beast Master is on Click #11, this is a POWER action instead.
Summon Animal Allies: Mastermind. POWER: Generate a bystander from this card closest square next to the edge of the map. [MAX:3]
MY GIFT ARE THE ANIMALS (WILLPOWER)
MYSTICALLY ENHANCED SENSES (SUPER SENSES)
#107bt1 Bystander Elk
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Keywords: Animal
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#107bt2 Bystander Bear
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Keywords: Animal
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#107bt3 Bystander Wolf
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Keywords: Animal
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Pack: Blades/Claws/Fangs, but the MAX result is equal to 2 + the number of other friendly characters adjacent to the target.
6. irresponsible zookeeper - i like the ol animal control and the fact that he packs his own menagerie is gangbusters. but what sets this one so high above the herd is the execution. the thematic weaving of special bcf throughout is a delight and especially because it's only ever giving us normal blades through the "bonus." you've managed to make it feel achieved and fun and oh so flavorful. mmmmm flavorful animals
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Common #003A Nightcrawler
Real Name: Kurt Wagner
Team: X-Men
Range: 0
Points: 50
Keywords: Excalibur, X-Men, Mutant, Pilot
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Shifting Focus: Bamf!: FREE: If Nightcrawler began your turn on the map, replace him with another character with this trait.
I Vill Not Sit Still: Shape Change, but on a result of 4-6: Place Nightcrawler within 4 squares.
INDIGO FUR (STEALTH)
BAMF (SUPER SENSES)
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Common #003B Nightcrawler
Real Name: Kurt Wagner
Team: X-Men
Range: 0
Points: 50
Keywords: Excalibur, X-Men, Mutant
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Shifting Focus: Bamf!: FREE: If Nightcrawler began your turn on the map, replace him with another character with this trait.
Hold My Hand: DOUBLE POWER: 6. MOVE, then after resolutions, assign each passenger an action token, or if you can't deal them 1 penetrating damage.
Bamf: Phasing/Teleport. FREE: Halve speed, 0. Phasing/Teleport at no cost.
You're Coming With Me: CLOSE: Make a close attack, instead of dealing damage you may place Nightcrawler within 4 squares and the hit target adjacent.
MUST CONCENTRATE (WILLPOWER)
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Common #003C/D Nightcrawler
Real Name: Kurt Wagner
Team: X-Men
Range: 0
Points: 50
Keywords: [C] Excalibur, X-Men, Mutant
Keywords: [D] Age Of Apocalypse, X-Men, Mutant, Pirate
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Shifting Focus: Bamf!: FREE: If Nightcrawler began your turn on the map, replace him with another character with this trait.
Dodge, Parry, Thrust: Combat Reflexes, but only when targeted by a character that can use Blades/Claws/Fangs, and if the attack result misses by 5 or more, roll a d6 and deal the attacker damage equal to half the result.
AVAST (CHARGE)
CUTLASS (BLADES/CLAWS/FANGS)
CONCENTRATE (WILLPOWER)
TELEPORT JUST A PART (EXPLOIT WEAKNESS)
5. the cheat you saw coming a (line of sight) mile away - all three (four?) are squeezing themselves in this dusty, sulfur-smelling spot, sporting a wide breadth of fuzzy elf options. i thoroughly enjoy what you've done here. starting with these was a good call. it definitely set the tone for the set. there's a lot of depth of kurt and i think bencrawler got in trouble with the meta for doing it all at once. here, like a fine wine, popping the cork and letting it breathe a little, giving them space spread across a few dials really serves the palate. the taxi, the hit & move, the swashbuckler and my favorite, the defense piece, captures every bit of him without overloading the dial. the weaponized aspect of the taxi was well-worded, too. this is just a workshop on getting a lot done, particularly cheating the 4th option of the 3rd dial AND sneaking in another character with it. just gobs and gobs of value-added
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Limited Edition #105 Unique Cornucopia
Real Name: Carla Ballinger
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 30/10
Keywords: Berzerker, Mystical
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Feed and Clothe The World: POWER: Generate either Clothes object or Food object. If Cornucopia is on click #11 [MAX: 1].
New Clothes: Shape Change, but only succeeds on a 6. // Adjacent friendly character may equip Clothes or Food objects as FREE.
MY GIFT IS TO CREATE FOOD (WILLPOWER)
#105s1 Clothes Light Object EQUIP: ANY UNEQUIP: DROP EFFECT: KO this equipment to reduce damage by 1.
#105s2 Food Light Object EQUIP: ANY UNEQUIP: DROP EFFECT: KO this equipment to reduce pushing damage.
4. mama cass - the fact that we're on the other side of the daunting CHASM of designing a combat dial for someone that makes food, i'm still scratching my head on how you were able to pull it off. it's not simple, but it is simply elegant. it's not lazy, it is truly inspired. seeing it now i'm having a hard time coming up with any good alternative mechanics to represent food & clothes and going forward in my designs i won't be able to think of them in any other terms, i doubt. like a good nana, you've packed me provisions for the road
My Gift: The Firefountain: POWER: Choose a character with the Berzerker keyword on click #11 within range and line of fire and turn them to click #3. After resolutions, if the character was opposing, assign Loki a Gift token.
To Give Power To Those Without: FREE: Choose an opposing character 50 points or less and a slot on that character without a power showing. The opposing player may choose a standard power of the type for the chosen slot. The power must be printed on Loki's card and have not been chosen this game. The chosen character can use that power instead of Loki while there is no power of the chosen slot showing on its dial. After resolutions, assign Loki a Gift token.
Those Who Sit Above In Shadows: PROTECTED: Outwit. When Loki would be KO'd, instead you may replace him with #025 Loki on click #10 and then clear Gift tokens healing him 1 click for each token cleared.
I STAND BEFORE YOU HUMBLED (PHASING/TELEPORT)
LITTLE GOD OF LIES? (MIND CONTROL)
THE OLD ME WOULD STORM OUT (RUNNING SHOT)
HANDS OFF (STEALTH)
'TIS I WHO AM THE VICTOR HERE (TELEKINESIS)
GOOD HELP IS SO HARD TO FIND (INCAPACITATE)
YOU WILL ALL YIELD (PENETRATING/PSYCHIC BLAST)
THANKS TO MY GIFTS... (PRECISION STRIKE)
... YOU ARE NO LONGER NEEDED (MASTERMIND)
MY PART OF THE BARGAIN FULFILLED (SUPER SENSES)
HOW GALLANT YOUNG LADY... (INVULNERABILITY)
...HOW FUTILE (REGENERATION)
THE TRICKSTER (SHAPE CHANGE)
THE DECEIVER (PERPLEX)
SO-CALLED GOD OF EVIL (PROBABILITY CONTROL)
I WANT NO MORE DEFIANCE (OUTWIT)
3. neron in a hat - i just gushed over the subtle double-edged sword of this dial. the fact that the real penalty isn't spelled out, is only self-enforced, is the writing in fine-print is so meta. man i really really like this. at first it seems niche and dangerous to be helping your ally, but man it's so subtle! and then it gets you. whoof. what's the word above brilliance? loki the novel the dial, apparently
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Common #011 Lockheed
Real Name: Unknown
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Range: 4
Points: 25
Keywords: Excalibur, X-Men, Animal
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My Pet Dragon: SIDELINE ACTIVE: If a friendly character named Shadowcat took damage since your last turn, place Lockheed adjacent. // If Lockheed started the game due to the My Pet Dragon trait, when he takes damage, after resolutions, return him to your sideline.
Scourge Of The Brood: Combat values +1 when targeting or targeted by a character with the Brood keyword.
Get 'Em: Enhancement. Empower, but only when adjacent to a friendly character named Shadowcat.
2. denver the last dinosaur - he's my friend and a whole lot more, sings kitty pryde (and you are welcome for that ear-worm blast from the past). this guy is the ultimate pet and puts my whole legion of superpets subtheme to shame. you did it so much better. every bit of the mechanics, coming on and going off and most importantly giving me a reason to pay for it outright, just perfectly perfect in everyway. a lot of heart went into this brood-burner
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Limited Edition #102 UniqueMaster Builder
Real Name: Paul Domenic
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0
Points: 30/10
Keywords: Berzerker, Mystical, Scientist
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Whatever I Dream...: +2 when rolling for map.
...I Can Build: POWER: All terrain is considered indoor terrain while Master Builder is on the map (even if this power is lost). Protected: Pulse Wave.
Half Engineer, Half Architect: FREE: Choose a wall to become either a Window or a Door. If Master Builder is on click #11, the wall must be within 3 squares and is a POWER action instead.
MY GIFT IS TO CREATE (BARRIER)
SKETCHBOOK FULL OF IDEAS (WILLPOWER)
LEADER OF THE BERZERKERS (LEADERSHIP)
1. darkhorse finish - i doubt you expected this guy to take the #1 spot. neither did i. and that makes me jam on him all the more. he. will. own. the. map. the barrier that goes all the way to 11 because he makes the map indoor, redecorating the windows & doors (is it to code? will mike holmes be knocking on the door after match? will it be too late then? ) willy nilly, you've made getting a minor map bonus(!) exciting. for 30 points you get to run a sadistic sim city simulator where your opponent gets locked in rooms with no way out and your allies can freely roam or shoot where they please. as understated as it seems, he is amazing, low-key the sleeper winner of dial design 2020.
Firstly, let me say what a pleasure this set has been for me in particular. From my favorite time in X-Men/Alpha Flight history, made even better with great fun dials. Thank you for all your time and effort.
Secondly......THAT IS THE MOST MOLESTER-y LOKI GIF I'VE EVER SEEN! .
"Cough-cough" Uh-hmm I mean here's my top ten.
10: #16 Cyclops
You actually got me to include Scott in my top ten, you don't know how impressive that is. I love his weakness mechanics and glass cannon bad@$$ery.
09: #06 Northstar
Super aggressive in your face Jean-Paul captures the 9th spot.....probably don't want to tell him that to his face. Not giving him gold might leave me in a battered puddle!
08: #100 Snow Giant
Big stompy fun personified, how could this bruiser not make my list!
07: #07 Heather Hudson
Ha, seven captured seven. I just love this take on Heather, it brings all the classic feel of Alpha Flight and makes me smile.
06: #102 Master Builder
How could a lover of map control not choose this majestic master of meteoric minarets!
05: #03 A/D Nightcrawler
Yep I'm cheating twice on this list and the first is to salute the Bamfing, swashbuckling sultan of swagger Kurt Wagner.
04: #04 A/C & 023 Snowbird
Nemesis of the Great Beasts and melanin deficient goddess of the great white north. This is the Narya we've all wanted in Heroclix for years. If I was going to do a top 10 she was either going to monopolize it or get one listing!
03: #24 Unique Heather
She's my favorite of the Berserkers and the one I'd find myself using the most. Asgardian goddess Heather would have a permanent spot in my Alpha Flight lineup.
02: #22 Unique Aurora
Her non-chase counterpart almost made the list as well, but only Heather gets two spots on my list! A fun tricks-y chase that doesn't feel cheap or abusive. She'd be my go to Jeanne-Marie.
01: #019 Puck
Yeah, you could probably see this coming. This is Eugene to a tee, weaknesses and all. A kinetic bouncing, brawling, melee thug, as much fun to run as he is effective and have no doubt Puck is going to be effective.
Also in response to the Baron "Lord of the Plants? Don't you mean Lord of the Pants!"......I'll just go now, goodnight folks!
"I may not see the road I ride for the witch-fire lamps that gleam;"But phantoms glide at my bridle-side, and I follow a nameless Dream." R.E. Howard
LOCATION BONUS: At the beginning of the game place up to X Bystanders that have a cost onto the map not within 5 squares of a starting area. X= 1 per 100 points of team build for the game.
At the beginning of your turn, roll a d6. If the result is equal to or higher than the number of bystanders place by this effect still on the map, then you may give a number of bystanders up to the result actions. If the result is lower than the number of bystanders, instead choose one bystander to become friendly to your opponent's force for the remainder of the game. You score no points when you KO one of these bystanders.
CONSOLATION: You may place up to 2 additional objects with a total cost not exceeding 5 points.
Points: 5
#M003B Mansion Alpha (interior/exterior)
LOCATION BONUS: The lowest point character with the Alpha Flight keyword has the AUTONOMOUS keyword. The highest point friendly character has but only for walls.
CONSOLATION: FREE: Once per game, opposing characters modify speed and range -2 until your next turn.
First thank you both for all the great feedback for all these years. It is nice having friends like you guys around.
Now onward...
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TOP 10
of the set
I was surprised by how many Berzerkers made it. In the end, I was having mixed feeling about them.
I was really happy with Cornucopia of all the LEs. As you point out, she was hard to figure out. I thought originally about shape change for clothes, but decided to give it to her on dial. There were many iterations. I finally decided there would be no limit but the effects would KO the objects. That way she can just keep busting them out.
Wow. It took a minute, but as soon as I saw the Denver, it all came back. And thanks for that. Jeez. It's amazing how bad the cartoons of my childhood were and how much I still get a kick out of watching them.
Side note: Just watched all of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends on Disney+. So bad, yet so good. I wish they had the Hulk cartoon that use to play in tandem with SMAF. Unfortunately, they only have the 90's version, which without the nostalgia factor, it can't keep my interest.
#2 wasn't a big surprise other than I kind of suspected it to be #1. So seeing Master Builder as the top dial was a big surprise. I did want to focus on meta effect and this guy is the one. I love thinking about some of the combos. Pacific Ocean map? No problem. Now it's an aquarium.
Quote : Originally Posted by ToadKillerDog
Firstly, let me say what a pleasure this set has been for me in particular. From my favorite time in X-Men/Alpha Flight history, made even better with great fun dials. Thank you for all your time and effort.
"Cough-cough" Uh-hmm I mean here's my top ten.
I'm just glad that there are other fans of classic AF to share them with. I try to put story into the dial, which is something you'll miss if you don't know the subject. So it's wonderful to hear a big fan's take on the designs.
I'm happy to see Cyclops on there. I was happy with the design. It was too similar to the FotM dial, but I'd sooner keep this crazy thing. The visor as equipment is just the missing element to cyclops we need.
Glad to see Puck my the top of your list. I felt like you were the fan to impress. I'm glad it worked.
What really makes me happy is the Aurora dial made the list. I just couldn't be happier with the HSS as FREE. Just so damn cool. Such a great way to show her type of speed in my opinion. She can zip across the room or take a move action and zip across the map. I'll be waiting to drop that free HSS on a future dial.
danger room - using pogs as the dangers was a very clever solution. i like the risk/reward of getting to use them or lose them. initially i was expecting some kind of limitation on the point values of the pogs to show up, but the risk of handing them over is the all the limitation you need
mansion alpha - the lowest getting autonomous is an absolutely ingenious way to represent home turf pseudo-leadership. and the fact that it's only on the lowest is a great way to keep it balanced and to mechanically assigned in the crispest way. really enjoy that
Quote : Originally Posted by Renokhan
First thank you both for all the great feedback for all these years. It is nice having friends like you guys around.
Now onward...
definitely my pleasure
and yeah denver was the cheesiest, tropiest cartoon i can remember
'90s hulk cartoon is actually still supplying the voice casting in my head cannon when reading rick jones or shulkie. i used to catch it and cheesy mulleted iron man before church on sundays