Now that the full set list is confirmed, I like a good chunk of the set, but there’s parts that now feel like a cruel tease, mostly for Thunderbolts rosters. Making Blackheath and Skein, but not Harrier and Cyclone is rough. And still no Joystick.

And I get reusing Hawkeye to make Trickshot, but that led to some to believe at least the later roster of Dark Avengers would be finished. A bummer it still isn’t.

Or that we got Machinesmith for the Skeleton Crew, but no Mother Night.

The upsides: Hydra High Council from Secret Empire can be completed. And you can play much updated versions of the OG Thunderbolts and Masters of Evil and now teams with Robbie Reyes (as tough as it may be to get him).

By my calulations, the set looks like this:

CAAV:
57 11+
40 18+

Thank you for updating now that all the dials are in!

So no rise in defense values, and significant increase in the number of 11s.

Oh I am super thrilled bout selection and this is very small gripe, they just do they all the time. I know it is hard to get every team to an even or close to even point cost but an original lineup and a mere 5 points just hurts. In home games I let it slide I can use the 45 point Zemo that was pointed out and is a good substitution.

Nope. We still need Madame Hydra (Elisa Sinclair).

Would love to know the thought and design process that led to a decision to move the game in this direction.

There is always a chance that character selection played a role. As I look across the set list, at its MASTERS of Evil and SHIELD and such, it's easy to justify high attack values due to extensive training.

“Games take too long, let’s speed things up.”

Preaching to the choir. Can we get a Toxie Doxie?

Man, there is hella Outwit and Perplex in the Commons and Uncommons. Gonna make some interesting sealed games.

Power creep never makes the latest sets irrelevant but a little creep each set keeps "outdating" more & more past sets. It's annoying.

The fact that characters like Corsair & Hepsaba are doomed to "uselessness" unless they get remakes is just sad. Thankfully Sidewinder is no longer on that list.

Retirement and power creep are two things I blame for never getting characters like the Zodiac. How can we get them when everyone needs a new modern legal this guy or that guy. That said, we have gotten a ton of great characters that aren't exactly A or B listers which is great.

Oh well, I guess. Things clearly aren't changing in that respect. They want new players playing with new pieces not home players building a universe of characters from day 1 to present that can all actually play together & be worth their points. That's what I want but it's just not happening. (shrugs)

I'll get over it & keep playing. You take the good, you take the bad, and there you have the facts of life.

Timo's got the pump & dump thread live

Go over there and let your opinion be counted

One outrage at a time, please:

You: A 9 attack is garbage design?!?!?! He is fine for 50 points!!!!!

A) I complain about the design style where a figure gets lowered stats because they have a modifier you are expected to use. The JSA got this for years as does Alpha Flight. I hate it because it forces me to use certain elements when a simple "let's just include that in the base dial" would be more appropriate.

You should have been defending the need to add a trait's wording to Atlas and how awesome that is for the game. Maybe you have a convincing argument. But you misread my post. Hence the reread comment.


You: You're complaining about him not being as good as you think he should be? You literally said "Indom would have made him more satisfying" and i'm quoting you.

B) This response does not support your initial statement and clearly misses my point (hence, the reread comment). I explained what I was looking for. I even used the term "satisfying" on purpose rather than "better". You are saying, "the dial is great for a measly 50 points". That was not my point at all.

The dial is good for 50 points. I wanted a character - not a dial. So you implying, I must be stupid for not liking a dial tells me you missed the point completely. (Hence, the reread comment).


I hate a given design philosophy. You are fine to love having to spend 100 points on Guardian to get Alpha Flight better able to hit 17 defenses every time you run Alpha Flight.

I like certain characters and want them to play in a role I prefer. You can like numbers and words on a card / dial and be satisfied with whatever name they call it and what ever plastic form they stick on top.

We obviously approach the game from different perspectives.

I'm fine with that. If my perspective bothers you so, you can easily add me to your ban list. But I hope you at least understand how you misread my entire point (but don't worry, you aren't alone in that regard).

Correct. I think you either misquoted a post or just meant to make the above math statement as there is no connection to what you said and what I said.

I remember the days when you would pull 10 figures and build a 300 point team with 2 pieces.