Wow that part is awesome!

Yes this thread is awesome! I'm on Harpuas side and I'm glad he's putting people in their place. I can't stand whiners.

I must have missed the muliple targets thing somewhere in the 12 pages. I mean, it makes sense to me, I just want confirmation.

As for the BT happeneing all at the same time, I meant that you have to announce all the targets and what stat will be affected in one action. You can't Perplex Cyclops' Attack, make an Atatck, then announce that you're Perpelxing Wolverine's Speed, Charge in, then Perplex Storm's Damage, etc. You would need to draw LoF to all of them at the same time, declare who is getting Perplexed, and what you're Perplexing, then move on to another action.

That's where the confusion/question arises. If Xavier is able to use Perplex via his SP, then the declaration of Perplex would happen in one action. Since he can't "jump" bodies in the middle of the action, where ever he draws the LoF from initially would the only source/origin pont/etc of that Perplex.

All of that said, if he's able to make Attacks from multiple locations at once, then the BT Perplex should work the same way (again, assuming that Perplex works with the SP). Since you say the multiple Target Attack was covered, can you post a link or a quote of an orange saying that? Thanks.

gsx professor x and wos nightcrawler. ugghhhh....... or yah! depends on which side of that you are on......

While you don't spout it off all at in one single overlapping blast, in game terms they are all happening simultaneously. It's one single use of Perplex affecting multiple characters all at the same time. It's just that we as humans are limited in how we convey the information of what is happening. If we could convery all of that information in one single burst, that would be the proper way to do it.

He's referring to Harpua's post (160) of which you are already aware.

And i have no regrets about my statements…

YOU did not clearly show me why i should not think the rule was a fair move…

That was Questions…

When he showed me where i was wrong i had NO PROBLEM raising the white flag…

I have been arguing rules for longer than you with players…

And personally i still think the prof x is still OP after this ruling, I'll change my strategy up a bit when i play him, But you don't understand during a mid game you have a game plan and it all gets shot to hell because you " Think" prof x can't do psychic blast in that fashion…

So excuse me for being a lil ticked off in my hate for this ruling…

<----- Notice the tongue in cheek…

I just wanted to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that that was fair…

IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT WITH YOU THE GREAT AND ALL KNOWLEDGEABLE HARPUA…

Ah. Well, I know of that post, but I guess it just needs to be stated A) if Perplex works with the SP and B) that Perplex would for 100% legal game rules be able to do that. Ambiguity is what causes these problems to begin with.

Since that seems to be the closest to, "yes, that's how it works" we're goign to get, now i just need to know if Perpelx/Outwit work with the SP. My Illuminati team needs some more Brilliant Tactician abuse.

In Harpua's defense, "legal within the rules" and "fair" are not the same thing. That said, I see where you're coming from; you wanted a straight answer that defined why something worked, not a joking/tongue in cheek answer.

Also, having something get Psychic Blasted (or just having a plan go wrong) mid game due to not thinking something works a certain way generally means the player made a mistake or didn't understand how something worked. the wording on Xavier makes the adjacency thing pretty obvious while the wording on Outwit/Perplex imply that he can't use them (but it's a SP, so maybe he can). There are always weird timing issues with gmaes like this,a nd Perplex/BT may be one of them. Or not.

Look at it this way.

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When he uses BT, all of the Perplexes do not have to come from the same square.
A, for example, can see only 1 for Perplex. B gets only 2. Etc.
Yet when he uses BT, he can get them all because the LoF can be drawn from any square.

Harpua is freaking owning the best thread ever. That CPOC example puts it out there perfectly. Just use your imagination to look at it like Prof X is in all of the squares at one time, but using his mind to do.

Right, I understand all of that, and that Xavier could, in theory, draw LoF from several figures for Perplex at once. If he can do it for an Attack, he should be able to do it for Perplex. Great. I'm not convined it is, to steal a phrase from monwear, "fair", but I get it. And I will abuse the hell out of it (if and when Perplex/Outwit works with the SP).

The reason it isn't obvious is becasue Xavier is in one dial, as is Cyclops, Angel, etc. It's intuitive that the Clown can draw LoF from any one of his spaces, but it's not intuitive that Xavier can "jump" between bodies to Perplex all at once. Just to be clear, Xavier isn't being errated to disallow this, right?

using Prof X IN CONTACT WITH CEREBRO with Dr. Strange so i replace his range to a 6 and use Prof X psychic blast and outwit would i still be able to use Dr. Strange EYE OF AGAMATTO or any of his other powers?

He isn't really "jumping" though. Using his cerebro power he is in the squares at one time. He is CPOC but his bases are in different squares.

You just blew my mind.

No. You are using Professor X and his powers, not the powers of whoever he is using for his LoF.

I really hope that this is going to be clarified somehow in the next PG, because that "any character" thing is not good enough.
I get Harpua's point - beside, he's the only Orange squad's member to have spoken so far, so his ruling is obvioulsy the good one - and his arguments are just perfect when it comes to explaining how it will work from several characetrs at once.
But that doesn't prevent "any friendly character" from being read as "one only".
That must be clarified, IMO.

And thats the reason i brought up firelord from back in the day…

He was able to used ranged combat expert next to a based character simply because he was a flier…

The rules at the time stated that it was legal…

But every one in their right mind knew that it was OP… So the rule changed…

This prof X special power imo will be eventually changed… it's too damn powerful…

The way we play we still use hooker bombs… (the reason rule of three came into effect)

He can still do potentially 5 clicks of damage psychic blast using any number of cheap xmen characters from his starting area… with a pretty decent attack… Stand destiny next to him and … Well i don't even want to think about it… *smh*