They are both pretty low end MW. Their main advantage is they are jacks of all trades. Each having multiple personalities inside their brains, they can access skill sets of several people at once. But that just barely makes them MW material.

I'm aware of that, but I also remember DTM said apart of the reason why they received the MW ranking was also because they were able to beat multiple opponents at the same time. Which was also the reason why he gave River Tam that MW ranking too.

I think I want to list down Minka Kelly from that short lived Charlie's Angels series. Yes the series was bad, but combat wise she was actually pretty good, sort of like a Sydney Bristow lite.

I'm sort of tempted to want to list down the Buffybot as an entry, however I have no idea where to rank it. Can't remember how strong the Buffybot was, but I remember Warren's robo girlfriend April was physically stronger than Buffy since Buffy couldn't overpower her when she grabbed Buffy. However Warren's robots appear to be fragile since April was defeating by whacking her with a piece of wood while Buffybot got critically damaged by a chain. So good strength, horrible durability that most LW can take them down.

I've been thinking about it, and I think Eden and Nina are probably MWs. True Blood and Vampire Diaries vampires have hypnosis too. Granted it's much more limited, but unlike Nina and Eden, they have other powers to fall back on.

Buffybot is a MW. Maybe has the strength to go beyond, but her simplistic nature really stes her back. No outside the box thinking at all.

Wasn't the chain that took out Buffybot wielded by a demon?

That's the thing though. Good strength and I believe her hand to hand skills were quite good too, but thinking and durability were pitiful.

It was, but it was just a normal chain IIRC. And from what we've seen from the show, a demon whacking you with a chain isn't going to hurt more than a normal person doing it. There's a number of humans on both Buffy/Angel that took worse and didn't went down as easily as Warren's robots did.

All demons are not equal. While yes, a chain is nothing special, I'm not willing to believe that if a normal person hit Buffy bot with one, it would do the same damage.

Can you think of even a single time one of Warren's robots took a weapon shot and didn't get badly damaged from it? I was checking out a video of the Buffybot and it showed two other weapons shots. Not only did they both badly damaged to the Buffybot, but one of it was from a scrub teenage vampire that whack the Buffybot with a beer bottle and it damaged the Buffybot to the point it couldn't even navigate well and was constantly walking straight into walls and objects. A freaking beer bottle did that. Does Warren make his robots out of paper mache or something?

Now I'm convinced. If anyone hits one of Warren's robots with a baseball bat (wooden or aluminum), it's very likely to get critically damaged from a single shot. Doesn't have to be a swing either, could probably just jab it with the bat and still get a critical. IIRC that was exactly what happened to April.

Bringing this one up cause I'm curious which Fringe episodes would be best to check them out in action. Want to see them for myself cause I think some MWs I have in mind can pull it off, but I need to see them and particular this force gun in action.

I'm also going to add as well as update my list with:

Richard Rahl Cypher (Legend of the Seeker) - LW
Erica Evans (2009 V) - LW
Fire Serpent (Fire Serpent) - HW

Saw two different Wizard of Oz miniseries which were both retelling of the story. Quite enjoyed both of them and want to add in some characters. Some are a bit iffy but these ones can definitely do:

Billie Westbrook (Witches of Oz) - HW
Wyatt Cain (Tin Man) - LW
Azkadellia (Tin Man) - HW

I so want to put in New Girl Zooey Deschanel and Doc Brown in that list, but not sure if they can properly be inducted. Zooey basically a Dorothy/Princess Ozma hybrid whose magic definitely makes her a strong MW, only problem is that I can't think of a single offensive attack she did with her powers. While Doc Brown is the Wizard who has a similar backstory to the traditional wizard. However this Doc Brown actually became a powerful wizard and my calling him Doc Brown is actually fairly accurate since the character is basically what would happen if Doc Brown somehow ended up in Oz, found Oz magic and became an all powerful wizard through blending in magic with advance technology, and come on, you can't tell me that doesn't sound awesome. Problem is much like Brad Taylor God of Thunder, screen time is a problem with him since he's primarily shown in flashbacks. He is talked highly about alot and from what we do see, he displays SHW capabilities and definitely deserving of that reputation like when he froze Glinda in some sort of stasis bubble, but for someone who's constantly referred to as an all powerful wizard, trying to figure out his full capabilities is going to be one big guessing game. Such a shame, I would've loved to see New Girl Zooey and all powerful Wizard Doc Brown in this, but one never used her powers offensively and the other is too vague.

Also going to add in the ones I haven't listed yet but mentioned. I'll even throw in Richard Grieco pale skin Alysum Loki though I'm not sure who would vote for him to be in the TOC. Guess I'll list the Buffybot currently as a MW, but will argue for LW if she gets selected because there is like a dozen characters from the LW list I give the win over the Buffybot.

Here's something I got to ask, anyone know if the Angel villain Sahjhan would be more fitting as a MW or HW? Hadn't seen all his episodes, but from what I did see he beat up Angel pretty badly but lost to Connor. Though in his defense he was destined to lose to Connor. I'll also add in Eric Northman from True Blood.

Interestingly enough, within the levels of their shows, Angel is to Bill Compton what Marcus Hamilton is to Russell Edginton and what Sahjhan is to Eric. At the moment I'll probably think of putting them both as MWs.

Since Fringe is over and only having seen a few episode at most, how many episodes had super Joshua Jackson in it?

Not many, Id say 2 or 3, tops.

Would he still be more ideal for a TOC than a Observer? He's a specific established character while the observers are a race, so it's not really using an actual individual. It would be kind of like putting "Green Lantern" in a match where you can either show how tough they are by referencing the likes of Hal, Kyle or Alan or lowball them by bringing up generic GLs getting beaten up by the groups.

Plus from the videos of super Joshua Jackson I've seen, the guy takes out a number of observers, which would put him above them.

Since the Dalek from the TV TOC has been shifted to a HW classing, should we move other TV characters to a more proper division? For example some characters that were questioned like Hymie, Odo, Future Predator, Randall Flagg, Tick and I'm even questioning Captain Marvel as all of them (exception to the Tick) were all last minute suggestions.

I believe DTM didn't think Odo belonged in the HWs and the guy doesn't even have a weapon. Having never seen Deep Space 9 outside some scenes in passing, can't comment on him. Hymie was only placed as a HW due to being strong and bulletproof, but based on what others say (and going off the fact he's from a comedy) he sounds like one of those accident prone robots, and that's not a threatening opponent to overcome. Randall Flaag was placed in the SHWs because people admittedly were still confusing his book capabilities with his miniseries capabilities. Only thing that would even warrant that classing is if we go by book canon and assume Randall survived the nuke cause he lived on to be in other stories.

Never seen the Shazam! series, but this clip makes me question his power level. Even if we assume he's on the level of Tom Tyler Captain Marvel, I still rank him a HW, only I'm guessing due to the time period he's from that 70s Captain Marvel doesn't fight or use lethal force like the Tom Tyler version. Ironically a character that was promoted on the net and recently pick up by a studio name Mighty Woman seems to make a better Captain Marvel than the Captain Marvel from the TV TOC.

I think everyone unanimously agreed Future Predator was the weakest TV SHW on the roster. It's best feat was taking rounds from an assault rifle, but later died in that same fight from a mammoth. It also got killed by a gorgonopsid. So seems like large beast have a track record of killing off future predators. Ironic since I saw a Primeval video featuring a gigantosaurus, spinosaurus and T-rex and they were a lot more impressive that the future predator. So if Primeval should have a SHW, it should've been one of them.

Tick on the otherhand I think should be a SHW since the majority of his fights happened off screen and since he had the benefit of having the TV creator the same person who made the cartoons and comics and nothing about TV Tick contradicted the source material, people were using the comics and cartoons as his power level. Even Dean Cain Superman had trouble putting him down and that just doesn't sound right for a TV HW bruiser.