I'm honestly not sure. Maybe a resource? By the way BoS is written, the hammers don't become relics unless you let the automatic pickup portion laps.

It's sort of like the Utility Belt items. What are they considered while attached to and used by the Belt? They're not relics unless you play them as relics or turn them into relics via Belt.

Also, what is Monkey Joe or the gargoyles while they're attached to their "masters"? They aren't characters until you place them on the board via their master's power.

They must be relics or the auto-pickup wouldn't be a relic roll and Splitlip wouldn't effect it.

True. But I think that was one of the points of argument as to why Splitlip shouldn't work with BoS.

If they are relics, they're still worth zero points unless you let the automatic pickup laps. You initially pay 3 points to activate a lost on BoS. You then score 3 pts for KO'ing someone with a hammer because BoS instructions say that's how much you get. I suppose you might be able to extrapolate that that's how much the hammers are worth individually but I think that would be incorrect.

"If the friendly character does not place the relic on its card this turn, then for the remainder of the game, it is a relic as described on its card. "

I think the bolded part shows that they are relics the entire time.

There we go. I missed that. I guess they're relics of zero cost unless you let the free pickup laps?

Don't remember if it was this thread or not but when talking about Old Man Logan an Orange said they were a 3 Point Relic.

They probably did but by going by the wording of BoS, I don't think the hammers have a cost. You pay 3 pts for hammer slots and when you KO someone with a hammer the book instructs you to gain 3 points for each hammer equipped. But that doesn't necessarily translates into the hammers being worth 3 points.

I always looked at it as being either one option or another, with each option having its own cost and benefit.

Option 1) Use Book of Skulls - Cost is a power action. Benefit is automatic pickup
Option 2) Use Splitlip - Cost is a chance to miss the relic roll. Benefit is that it's a free action and +1 to your 1d6 roll.

However, should you miss with your free action roll by using Splitlip's special, then you will still have an opportunity to give your character a power action and automatically succeed with your relic roll.

That might be the way you look at it, but the ruling has already been passed down that SplitLip works with the book so you don't need a power action or a roll to get the hammer.

Yes, the wording is going to be updated so Splitlip and BoS work together seamlessly. It's been ruled they work together and the wording to support that ruling will arrive shortly.

This is incorrect, you do roll. The roll just automatically succeeds.

Seems that were changing the game to fit the ruling, rather than changing the ruling to fit the game.

My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be able to work together, it just adds more cheese to the plate and speeds up the game and becomes more of a power player scene...which is one of the main complaints of this game.

Whats the official ruling because honestly I dont see split being able to grant automatic hammers it says you can roll for them then the book says to automatically pickup give character a power action so still they would take an action

Post #134 has your official answer.

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EDIT: That darn cat ....