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Some, but I think the issue is that i'm providing general arguments and you are thinking of your locals :p I still don't see how recruiters do well against GB, wouldn't a good GB be able to dominate off of being able to tag and constantly use war chariot ? I mean, if I was a GB player, I'd flip chariot on your rat, proceed to tag out for laquari and anything that stops you from getting two on the field next turn would mean a win for me.

With 2 or 3 pashuul (very good right now) he's also brionac, barkion and uruquizas. In 2 months he'll also be Naturia Landoise (although sabers don't typically run enough spells to feed it) 1800 defense means he'll often stick around AND bring out a darksoul. I mean when playing GB that means they can't just murmillo it away. Darksoul nets you boggart or faultroll and two on the field next turn, if not you still have one on the field to make a play. I personally don't even play hamster, but I mean i'd sooner play that than rat.

problem is that your aggro isn't aggro. Its a suicide into a monster that doesn't usually pay off until after the battle phase. Giving up your battle phase and taking damage in order to make plays, in my book isn't truly aggro.

How does it clog the hand ? You can just go boggart into boggart then summon faultroll ? I'm actually testing one of ATG's other ideas he mentioned in passing, cutting a boggart for a marauding captain and really liking it. Especially for his ability to grab barkion and Beast and protect faultroll.

I'd love to keep running 3 GEC, but I too fear it may go to 2 or even 1 in the coming format.

Indeed. Gorz, to me is a must, then depending on style, hamster or marauding captain makes sense, a third pashuul isn't bad. I've tested the POD at length and personally would play 2 if I hadn't sold my playset. If we'd ever play online you'd likely face a build with 2 POD.

But if you want I can build a few decks : infernity, sams, sabers, formula monarchs, GB etc ...

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That's assuming you have Chariot every time I have Rat/Emmers. I typically play everything in ATK when I find out it's GBs (except DS and Pash). If I go into DS are you going to Murmy it?

Pity I traded my Hamster...I'll probably drop AoJ Armor for Barkion and Uruquizas.

I'll give you that :p. It's like suiciding Emmers but for less LP and a little less choice.

How does that further your gameplan at all? For that to be effective/efficient you need a tuner in the grave...

I like Captain. I'll give that a shot.

3? Wow. I found 2 too many at quite a few different times. That said, for me it's a 2-of or none-of card.

Not a big fan of Gorz in decks with backfield. You have to leave yourself open. I'll try this build first off. And then see where we go.

that would be great! The decks I have most experience with (playing) are GBs and SS (not LSS), both of those builds aren't great and the players aren't either.

One of the things I like about Rats is the easy side out. I'm no good at deciding what can come out. What goes in is easy. I can see the obvious ones (eg Reborn and BoMs vs GKs). Rats vs most (except GKs). Warnings vs BWs.

How does my side look to you? I want to fit in 2 BTHs but can't find room (CTH and ?).

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Depends on my hand. If I have a warning or something, sure. A lot of what you do is always dependent on what you have.

Well, you should get more out of those than Armor :p Armor only really worked for me in plant builds.

I run 6. Its not that hard. I'll usually search out pashuul pretty quickly and i do run ROTA main now that I no longer have my dualities.

i've always been going between 2 and 3. I have to say they are rarely dead.

You don't have to leave yourself open. Trap stun into hyunlei from your opponent, giant trunade, a BRD play you can't stop. Gorz has been a lifesaver for me. People always look at me weird when i say I run gorz, and I inevitably end up beating them with it (which speaks to how good it is, if I beat someone with it who knows I run it)

Well I like testing and experimenting a lot, so I usually get bored playing one thing too long :p only do that for competitions

With cards that are easy to side out you have to wonder, what are they doing for you in the first place if they side out for almost every game ? Wouldn't you be better off siding rats AGAINST GK, instead of taking them out against everything else ? Just something to think about

Not sure what you would use BTH for, you are already maining 2 warning, a judgment and 2 saber hole. Nowadays I think pupper plant and Gozen match are a must in the side, Doomcalibers if you face GB a lot, cyber dragon, TKRO is not too bad.

I'll try it out.

[quote]With cards that are easy to side out you have to wonder, what are they doing for you in the first place if they side out for almost every game ? Wouldn't you be better off siding rats AGAINST GK, instead of taking them out against everything else ? Just something to think about.[quote]

I do see your point with this. I guess it's just experience.

BTH is better than Warnings against BWs and removing Besti is better than Warning it in my book.

I like Gozen (that or BTH). Isn't Cydra better than DCK against GBs?

3 Crows and 2 DCKs really hurt grave based decks.

If I go aggro, here's what I'm planing to run

3 Troll
3 Emmers
3 FHK
3 DS
2 Boggart
2 Pash
1 Air
1 Captain
1 Hamster
1 Gorz/E-Con/PoD

2 PoD (Sarcs until I get my hands on them)
1 BoM
1 Hole
1 E-Con
1 Reborn
1 Trunade
1 Mind Control
1 ROTA

2 E-Call
2 Saber Hole
2 Warning
2 7-Tools
1 Judgement
3 Trap Stun (is 3 too many?)

I also want to test this out. A friend runs it and it works quite well.

Monsters: 16
3x XX-Saber Emmersblade
3x XX-Saber Darksoul
3x XX-Saber Fulhelmknight
2x XX-Saber Faultroll
2x XX-Saber Boggart Knight
1x X-Saber Pashuul
1x X-Saber Palomuro
1x XX-Saber Ragigura

Spells: 13
3x Book of Moon
2x Pot of Duality
2x Forbidden Lance
1x Giant Trunade
1x Cold Wave
1x Dark Hole
1x Monster Reborn
1x One for One
1x Reinforcement of the Army

Traps: 12
3x Solemn Warning
2x Saber Hole
2x Gottoms' Emergency Call
2x Trap Stun
1x Seven Tools of the Bandit
1x Solemn Judgment
1x Torrential Tribute

Extra Deck: 15
1x Formula Synchron
1x Armory Arm
1x Naturia Beast
2x XX-Saber Hyunlei
1x Naturia Barkion
1x Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
1x X-Saber Urbellum
1x Black Rose Dragon
1x Colossal Fighter
1x Scrap Dragon
1x Stardust Dragon
1x Shooting Star Dragon
1x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon
1x XX-Saber Gottoms

Could be difference in playstyle, but usually I try to end games before cards in the grave become an issue. Stopping an opponents turn once should be enough to go all out aggro and establish control if you have stun set or trunade in your hand.

Debatable. For me its hands down DCK. Set DCK and watch them lose the tag out.

3 struns not too many, but if you go that route a third boggart to ensure Hyunlei is there when you need him, usually does the trick. I run 3 Pash these days as well, with reinforce truth.

I assume minus the cards that will be illegal soon ? :p Could go either way. I've always loved ragi, but eventually decided against it because it can hinder big pushes as much as help them. If I had more time to test sabers, I surely wouldn't be against testing something like this. Palo will be a tough fit considering sams are a part of the meta now.

I try to, but it usually doesn't happen. I just don't have the experience to do that. I know the combos but...

It might be playstyle here again but I've found Cydra seems to be harder to get rid of.

Yes. Minus those cards. From what he has said it has more outs to LSS then his other Sabers (traditional Aggro).

Added an Aggro/Control build to the OP.

Updated. After playing Recruiters for so long I found I couldn't really play Aggro(ish). Had better results with Recruiter anyway.

Not too sure on Closed Forest. Thinking 2 Saber Holes/The Selection instead.

Testing out the Chalices. Heard a few people mentioning them recently (Blue and quite a few on TCGPlayer and not just in the Saber Thread).

Any ideas on the 15th Sync spot?

is closed forest even legal in australia ?

I don't see why it isn't. It's a game promo, not JUMP Promo. I'll double check it.

EDIT: What's that email?

Updated. Switched to Aggro because I'm not going to get PoDs anytime soon (and lack of backrow was starting to hurt). Trying to decide on Sarcs or Upstarts as fillers for PoD.

If you go aggro without POD, then sarc isn't even an option ... I'd go for neither really.

What would you go with?

I'm leaning E-Con and something.

EDIT: Trying Smashes for more usage of Air.

Both are good but not overwhelming, so it comes down to testing. i'm currently running double e-con in my sabers and double smashing in my sams and liking both. I guess too few people actually expect these cards. Just the other day I tribbed a gorz token to grab a LV4 summoned FHK into BRD to clear the field with my 4 cards in hand to their 1 (wouldn't have done it if I still had gorz, but they smashed my gorz :p).

For both there will be times they don't seem as good, but there will be more times where they give you an edge.

I'm liking the Smashes. Nice way to force Shien negation.