Awsome figures, I love that ghost rider, but all of these need one activation click except wolverine.

Alright, I was wrong on the whole not expecting a lot from Captain America thing. Way wrong. That's a figure that is a whole heckuva lot tougher than I would've ever dreamed of making him.

Sure, you hit him on that first click of ES/D and you knock him clear past Imperviousness, but so what? With him team ability, he can hop into hindering terrain and out of it without penalty so you're going to be looking at a 20 Defense to hit the first time around on the Vet. That's plain nasty.

And the attack value? Hello? What's with that? Sure, he's a mean hombre in the Ultimates universe, but a 12 ... ?! I'm not sure that was warranted.

I'm not complaining, really. I mean, I'll definitely use him (a lot), but it makes me long for a re-make of Batman ...

Guys!

Cap with no Willpower isn't bad at all, cause he got Impervious where i personally would have put it. I could see that instead Combat Reflexes, but hey. CR will allow him to a better late game figure considering his end of dials abilities...late dial Outwit and Defend....awesome. Even better than i imagined.

I hate myself for saying this but...

Wouldnt it make sense for Wolverine to have Exploit Weakness since his claws can cut through anything?

Was Ultimates designed by Jeff Grubb (recently fired designer that did most of the work on Unleashed; Marvel Super-Heroes RPG alum)?

Pretty close to every Expansion this Year is going to be Jeff Grubb's work. The last 2 this year wont be as much but jeff still made some decisions on it.

I'm actually surprised nobody said that so far (3, 2, 1 ....)

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST SET EVER!

:knockedou

Unleashed is bomb-diggity...OK..i was a bit harsh...but....Jeff grubb impressed me way more than anything JonL has done...his magnum opus was Vet Doc Ock and con artists.

Nope not going to be the best set ever. Its got my 3 most hated figures in (according to the rumors)!

Finally a Captain America I can get on board with.
Finally a cheap Spider-man, nice back-up hitter.
Ghost Rider's kind of a one-click wonder, made worse that you have to push him to get there. Also, Smoke Cloud is extraneous for him, on his best clicks no less. Hm, let me think, should I charge for 4 damage, or throw up a Smoke Cloud?
Rookie Doc Ock is a great cheap outwitter. Veteran is a great attacker too, as long as he's next to Bullseye or Taskmaster. I don't see myself using the Exp, though.
Wolverine is great! The only problem is having his 3 damage with the BCF, my one beef with Vet Sabretooth.

I agree, Batman should have as good an AV. But I wouldn't lower Cap's.
Hawkeye better get a 13.

why would Hawkeye EVER have a higher AV than any Captain America?

And of course, even i agree Batman should get a higher AV, but lose the CCE in favor of EW.

You mean like Scorpion have MoE instead of Sinister Syndicate? You mean like Spiral having MoD? Or perhaps a version of Beast not having Avengers? Or Moondragon not having Defenders?

I was under the impression this Ghost Rider was in Ultimates. If not, then what a horrible sculpt. I would have liked the classic looking GR better for a sculpt..

So far, this set looks worse than all the others.

For the fanboys, I'm sure it'll be great though... A bunch of recycled Marvel figures.. yeah...

KC Superman Outguns EVERYONE!
I was speaking of the fact that Cap can hit Supes and by pass his defence with Outwit causing damage. Hence the "Whhhooooff." I am NOT saying that Cap can or should beat Superman, but its nice to think that Cap can cause some damage to Supes.

wow, and here I thought Unleashed was awesome..

Ultrahumanite
Black Adam
Green Lantern
Two-Face
Rocket Red
Brainiac 5
DEO Agents
HDC Troopers
CYBORG (3 damage w/pulse wave isn't good?)
Dr. Fate

Most of the set has very good and playable figures with the exception of perhaps Chameleon (which is at least a Legionnaire to make up for it, though) and maybe one or two others (maybe Cheshire).

If anything, it didn't have a bunch of recycled figures (aka Elektra, Daredevil, Hulk, Spidey, Wolverine in just about every Marvel set...)