Why must you turn something so innocent into something so vulgar? For shame!

I thought you claimed that you weren't going to judge me? Now I'm ubercompetitive, simply because I don't intentionally lose the games I play? Not to mention your passive-aggressively insulting me by insinuating that I am immature in comparison to you.

I have not made this personal. I have not bandied insults. I am not telling you that you are playing the game incorrectly. I'm only talking about the goal of the game. I'm not discussing how one enjoys the game.

Pretend someone walks up to you while you're playing HeroClix and asks, "Hey, this looks interesting-- what's the goal of this game?" Now, you could very well answer him by saying, "It's about having fun," but that's not likely the answer he's looking for. However, if you were to say, "One team is trying to KO all the figures on the opposing team," you would be answering his question truthfully.

The goal of the game is entirely independent from the enjoyment which is engendered by playing the game.

What? I thought the goal of the game was seeing how many of the figures you could shove inside your...mouth.

I've been playing this game all wrong. Or have I been playing it right? Only Elvis knows for sure.

It takes three licks to get to the center. I'm Mr. Owl(man). I know things.

I tried to place Blob in my mouth, but his Trait wouldn't let me.

Stalling is a judgement ruling and that is determined by the judge of the event. If you want to consider constant passing by a player to be stalling and you are the judge of the event, you can call it stalling.

I've watched players at large tourneys do nothing for 2-3 minutes and then pass for mulitple turns in a row in a game and the judges did nothing. They didn't consider that stalling. I however would consider it stalling but the judge for that event has the right to call it what he wants to. I've seen a player get up to go to the restroom with about 10 minutes to go in a game and not come back until the time was up. I would consider that stalling but I saw the judge say there was nothing wrong with that. As the judge of the event, you can determine what your definition of stalling is.

I always thought stalling is what you to do your horse when you're done riding it?

I've never made it without biting.

If he was using a urinal in the restroom, it most likely wasn't stalling. They usually just put the regular thrones in the stalls.

Now taking ten minutes to use a urinal makes me think he has some serious stage fright issues.

Hmm...The In-Betweener looks like an Oreo, twisted onto a humanoid fiugre.

Usually I complain when threads get off-topic like this in the rules forum, but this one's actually generated some good discussion. (I still have 2 pages left to read from today, though, so my opinion may change.)

Sure. Don't we all?
If you mean the Sirlin style make-a-6-year-old=cry-because-I-must-smash-all-opposition kind of "PLAYING TO WIN," not really.

I play to have fun, and winning is one of things that enhances that fun. It's certainly not the only thing that does, or even necessarily the most important thing. Other things make my game more fun, too, such as a friendly opponent, a close game, learning a new strategy, playing a colossal figure (I'm a sucker for those), or coming up with a wacky power interaction. My previous post wasn't meant to be the end-all of how people should play, or even how I play, just a response to dkjedi to expound upon why some people like to play against challenging teams.

You know, I actually agree with most of what you say here. We should make note of this.

Deliberately giving points to an opponent can skew the results of a tournament and is not fair to the other players.

I appreciate what you were going for there, but I think you did the wrong thing for the right reasons.

Would it possible for them to have a special "grudge match" before or after the regular tournament? That would be preferable to influencing the events of a tournament to ensure their matchup.

IMPORTANT NOTE : That post is not to re-instantiate the debate. Just to clarify things about me sounding rude or aggressive, while it was clearly not my intention.

I'm not judging you. I haven't said that ubercompetitive mindset is BAD. I have said you sounded ubercompetitive yes. It is a fact that I AM under the feeling you have a very competitive mindset. I don't know you. I can't say if it's just a feeling or the truth. But i can say what i feel and how i perceive it right now. That i'm sure of.

I'm also implying that the competitive mindset i assume you have, can narrow your perception of things a bit, at the point of being totally biased on that particular subject of "the goal is to win". It's not a judgement, it's an assumption.

I talked about how i was behaving in the past and how i try to behave now mostly to emphasis that i can understand why and how you would come to the type of arguments we were having ; and also to explain that, even if i think this argument is pointless and a mistake, i'm as responsible as you are for this derail, and can even be charged guilty of having started alot of conversations that were alike in the past. But anyone can change... i hope i did.

I'm not insulting you, i'm trying to widen the scope of perception we both have of the other, while carefully avoiding the main subject we are disagreeing upon because THAT i believe can't change now. We are way past the line for this to happen, but i still think we can communicate peacefully about anything else, including how we feel about what happened here. Hey, i even think we do have things in common in fact.

The only person i made it personal against is myself.
Re-read what i wrote.
The term "grow" was perhaps mischosen, i guess (but remember it's not my native language ; some nuances can be misleading to me)
I just make a little fun of myself for letting me engage in such a meaningless fight on internet, that is all.

Isn't it the same when someones forfeit ?

I understand why it can be bad for the competition when two or more players agree to collude to influence the results... but... one isolated guy decide to lose on purpose : isn't it part of the game ?

What if i encounter a team i don't want to play against because it feels too cheesy to me, and i make this match a real quick 'i loose' / 'you win' in order to go smoking and tchatting with other people at an event, waiting for a better match to occur in the next round (assuming i'm there just to play clix, and not to win the prize)... am i cheating ?

Is it cheating just to not care about the results of the tournament and decide (without colluding with anyone else, just on my own) if i want to play hard or soft, or even loose on purpose just for the sheer fun of it (because for example, i know those people want to have a match against one another and i find it fun to let them have it ?)

It seems difficult to draw a line here. And i understand how it can be abused. But still... It would feel very strange if the answer is "you have to do your best and try to win everymatch or you're a cheater..."

I think we have to take into account the real consequences, and the context of such a decision, before judging it.