ok i didnt read ALL of the posts, but when rip it up says light object token does that mean you can use any of the adventure kit objects?

always having +2 defense from the desk, or picking up the mailbox to do more damage etc etc...that could make a really cool card even more powerful...

V CM Spiderman throws Professor Hulk
Bane throws Killler Croc
Juggernaut throws Sabretooth
E IC Hulk throws E Beast
The General throws Black Manta ??? Gorilla Grodd ??? Grundy ??? I just like the thought of the General hucking Black Manta off a roof at somebody
The Wrecker / Titania chucking Mr. Hyde
A pushed Super Skrull chucking Paibok ...
An angry Mr. Hyde chucking the Kingpin
Hawk/Troia chucking Cyborg for a swing Pulse Wave next turn combo ... kudos WizKids for keeping me from completely converting to VS.

The rules differntiate between object tokens and 3D objects...so I'm thinking no to the 3D stuff unless they make an exception to the 3D rules.

Juggernaut has Battle Fury...hence no ranged attacks, hence no fastball.

once again, if you were to outwit a character's RCE who has Trick Shot on them, can they no longer use it, until they get RCE back?

thx

AFAIK, this is correct...if you lose the prereq power, the feat "turns off" until you get the power back.

My thoughts on Trick Shot:

1. You still need to be in *range* to make you attack. Hawkeye will have to be one square closer to hit my back ranks. Maybe I don't cluster them right behind my front ranks. Now Hawkeye has to move 2 closer to get the shot. Well now my six range characters can retaliate.

2. Anti-Hooker Bomb? Good! Maybe folks will quit using them so much.

3. Barrier becomes a more and more attactive power to add to your team. Stealth aint what it used to be.


My thoughts on Fastball Special:

1. Just like we get Awesome characters we get some stinkers. Not every feat made is great. This is just one of the stinkers.

2. Fans got what they were asking for.

My thoughts on Rip It Up:

1. Sounds like lots of fun. A nice addition for the bricks.
2. Look to see Hulks make another surge in the tourney scene.

"Nyah-Nyah, I told you so!!"

See we just had to be patient. With the Feats and Battlefield conditions the nature of the game has changed. The rotten got good, the good got better and the unbeatable can be beaten. I think it won't be long before we start hearing reports of Galactus (600 pts) being beaten in tournies.

Suggestions/Final Thoughts:

Drop the "players' choice" optional part of the Battlefield Conditions. It didn't work with the 3-D objects. What make anyone think it will work for this? As a judge people that "opt out" too many times are working hard to make sure I will not consider them for fellowship. These cards make the game more competative and fun. Anything that dampens that is not in the spirit of fellowship.

Not sure I like the fact that we're being called "anal nerds", but you are aware that the feat specifically says that Toughness is a prerequisite. A figure with Invulnerability or Impervious cannot be used for the Fastball Special.

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I like that all three of these feats can be applied to the Fantastic Four to help them out a bit. Though, the first thought that came to my head with the Fastball Special is Thing throwing Invisible Girl/Woman. I'm sure Reed and Johnny would be thrilled knowing that Ben is tossing Sue at the bad guys.

Actually I have been reading marvel for 4 decades and this was not the first words that "sprang" to my lips. Now "Master of Quack Fu" was.

I have had a rough day at work and my mind was mush from that already. Maybe in the morning with some coffee things will make more sense to me. Some thoughts...

Fastball Special:
Cool, but what about the Giant and Big Figs? Can Magog throw a Bat Sentry if the Bat Sentry is faq'ed to "Big" level? And there stands a good chance that MM's Giant-Man may have Toughness. That’s a nasty adjacency bomb. Shame, there is no Cosmic Power member with super-strength. I'd love to throw that Starving Galactus around.

Rip It up
This is my "late night" too tired question. Am I paying 20 points per character or per team? So if I had Hulk and Thing on the same team, would it be 20 or 40 points to let them "rip it up"?

Trick Shot
Veteran Green Arrow with Atom blocking for him. Too nasty.

Mr. Fantastic and Franklin. "Ok son, you stand right here in front of daddy while I give Blastaar a wedgie. It'll hurt boy, but daddy loves you."

Metallo, may see more play with me. Though that 4 range stinks. Block him with some Intergang and get some anti-stealth Outwit.

Rip It Up
Nice!!! I often use Spidey, Moon Knight and Anaconda this will be a nice addition (Magog!!!) SS figs are more powerful! Big bonus to charge/HSS/close combat.
Black Adam...ouch!

Trick Shot
What is it WK? Are you all Cap fans? What is this underlying hate you have for Batman and his allies? Stealth is dying! Power/Abilities to ignore stealth are popping out like mogwai. I DO NOT like this card at all, being able to see through stealth is one thing, but being able to see thru people?!? Thats just crazy. This feat puts a bigger stress on range attacks. Can you use RCE with Trick Shot? My Storm can now do FIVE damage hiding behind Wolverine, Psylocke and U Kitty Pride. Kraven, Doc Ock and Bullseye are now very dangerous. Even being able to outwit RCE and negate the power does not balance this feat out.
BTW Amazo has Plasticity the same clicks he has outwit

Fastball Special
As this power was obviously designed with the Xmen in mind it would have been nice if the Feat was worded so you could use BCF wih it. Oh Well. I often run Xmen theme teams and in bigger point games I usually have gaps in points that this could easily fill in.

I forgot who mentioned it earlier, but a Ricochet feat card would be sweet (Batarangs, Cap's Shield, etc)

Yes, Wizkids already anticipated throwing the Giant figs around. If you look at the feat card, the damage symbols shown are for both the normal figs and giant figs. So you'll be able to have...er... hmm. Well if Giant-man has Super Strength then he'll be able to throw his clone around. The only other Ultimates figure with Super Strength is Hulk, but he can't throw anything. =\

Yes, I'm aware of that. That's why I pointed it out. I call it an 'anal nerd' thing because it doesn't make any sense that a guy with Toughness could be thrown, but a guy with Invulnerability or Impervious couldn't be. The first person who actually calls somebody on this, and tells them the feat can't be used because the guy has Inv instead of Toughness will be wedgied.

I imagine this might be another limitation on the feat, so that monsters like Ulik can't be thrown around, but it still doesn't make much sense.

I can't wait to throw Kingpin, though.

Best Fastball Special Combo

Absorbing Man and Titantia.

"Well honey, you've hit your useless Toughness clicks, so I am just gonna throw you at Iron Man."

Somebody's sleeping on the couch.

Oi! You leave my bloody Experienced Moon Knight alone!

Toughness is right for this. Someone who isn't Tough wouldn't want to be thrown because they might get hurt. Someone who is Invulnerable/Impervious wouldn't want to be thrown because they don't expect to need any help - they have the confidence and pride that comes from being immune to ordinary damage. Also, the Invulnerable characters tend to be large and heavy or otherwise difficult to throw, like Sandman.

Anyway, the card says Toughness and seems to mean just that. But house rule it if you like - it's already clear that the card needs some help.

Andrew

Another example of the same sort of thing is the flyers-can't-carry-flyers rule. It just wouldn't be right.

Andrew