Agreed wholeheartedly. Smoke may be flying around him, but GR is not doing that willfully...it just happens.

Same qualm with Punisher. Should be EE early on his dial and B/C/F later, but Smoke Cloud...no way.

We need split abilities to truly depict some of these characters.

Huh. What's the point of all those huge attack values with all those low defenses out there.

Cap using his shield would be Super Senses not Impervious. He either stops the damage or he gets hit hard. The way it's set up right now, if he were surrounded by gun-toting thugs (even the 2 damage heavy firepower types), his shield would mystically stop ALL their bullets flawlessly.

I think this is turning out to be a great set, and I'm glad that Captain America got boosted from his previously pitiful state. But seriously, Impervious was a stupid move. If carrying a shield that has a CHANCE of blocking a projectile is all it takes to get Impervious, then they need to hand out shields to more superheroes. If they wanted to simulate it having a chance to completely block incoming damage, they should have gone with Super Senses. That's the best power out there to represent it.

But hey, they wanted to make the Cap-fans happy, so they gave them Superman in disguise. Maybe that means the next Batman will have Impervious too. After all, I'm sure he's got a few gadgets that can deflect attacks.

But hey maybe I'm a little jealous too. I thought they were trying to bring the two universes together, allowing mixing in open tournaments and all. But while a good (or even top 10) fighter in DC gets a 9 attack, Marvel is still dishing out 12's. *sigh*. Ah well, I'm glad you guys got the Captain America you were looking for.

I was thinking a few clicks of Poison would be good for the penance stare. But Psychic Blast would be good too. Yet another boring dial, they could have made GR really cool.
Oh well, at least we finally got those Spider-Man and Wolverine figs we've been waiting for. Blegh. I've bought half a case of every Marvel expansion so far. Wizkids is losing me. I might buy a few packs of Ultimates, if that.

I've only noticed one extremely vocal individual saying anything bad about Unleashed, just about everyone else shares in the vision that it was 'really good.'

I know you'll never change your mind - but for those who still don't get it:

ES/D is for ranged attacks only. It doesn't help in Close-Combat. And I can see why Super-Senses could have been in place instead. Although Cap uses his shield to absorb the damage and not dodge the attack.

If you blasted him with web shooters or coated him in glue (Incapacitate)- shield or no shield, he couldn't stop it. But Hulk throwing a punch - the shield will absorb the blow and prevent Cap from turning into pulp.

I've seen a lot of people complaining that Ghost Rider doesn't have Psychic Blast or Exploit Weakness. Why?

I think they gave him the 3 / 4 damage to show his power. Doing that much means he can hurt every figure in the game. And when it goes down to 2 damage, he picks up Incapacitate - so he is still consistently dangerous.

If he had PB or EW, he'd probably only get a 2 damage - which would be useless against Galactus and not add up to a whole heckuva lot versus other figs. Dormammu has Psychic Blast and he tops out at 3 damage.

Now, he can hurt Superman, Hulk, Thor and really clobber figures not on that power scale.

And it can't be outwitted. Personally, I think he is better off as is.

I must say I like the most of these new figures. What I actually take issue with is how some people are ragging on the original IC Captain America. To be honest, I thought he was near perfect in all versions. The only problem with Cap was that when compared to other normal human-types who aren't using high-powered tech or magic (say Batman as opposed to Iron Man or Mandarin) he seems to be underpowered. The problem is not that Cap was underpowered but that the others (Batman, Nightwing, etc) were overpowered. Notice how there are two versions of normal Batman (HT Unique and HT Vet) are the same or more than the Ultimate Cap (both actually outlive this Cap yet I have hard time conceiving of either standing a chance against the Hulk in a fist fight).

The new and old Cap's perfectly illustrate the difference's between the two. THe Ultimate version is clearly Superhuman (unlike the original) but is a little more rash and is more willing to take risks (for good or bad) whereas the original Cap is the consummate team leader and therefore has the endless fountain of leadership.

real bad ghost rider IMO...missed a lot

It's just you that 'don't get it'.First off, Impervious doesn't stop Inacapitate, so that whole analogy is bunk if you're saying he shouldn't have Impervious. 17 with ES/D let's Cap be what he is: very hard to hit.

Impervious works better than SS for the shield because he can always stop some damage with it.

Now granted, it wasn't my first choice for those clicks (i'da gave him Willpower following ES/D), but i think they did a fine job with him...he's good, but certainly not game-breaking.

I was thinking the exact same! Kudos to you sir! GR is a monster for 93 points and I'm sure we'll see one with EW later on (you know, the same one that'll have a Midnight Sons TA...please oh please oh please)

Cap's impervious is also cool. I mean the guy NEVER gets hit with anything lethal because of his shield. Impervious gives him supersenses, plus adds in some toughness of the super soldier serum, coupled wit his great athleticism.

Super shield+Athleticism+Toughness+Good senses= (roughly) impervious

Cap is a beast!!!!!!!!! Can't wait to play him and the others!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm confused, sol.

You start off saying I don't get it, then proceed to agree with what I'm saying.

Impervious works due to the 'absorbing' nature of the Shield and Power.

ES/D works at range - but in close it's as if he no longer as the Shield - which is as much an extension of Cap as Superman's Flight. The Shield is not an object that Cap carries to utilize like Batman's Utility Belt - it is a part of the man.

And Super-Senses allows an attack to be missed entirely - which Cap doesn't always do. Many times he blocks it with the Shield - which won't protect him from Incapacitate style attacks.

sorry, tyroclix...it just sounded like you were using that to say he SHOULDN'T have Impervious, i even said 'if that's what you were saying' cause i wasn't 100% sure....my bad.

I can't believe no one else has mentioned it...
But Ghost Rider without a single version on
the Defenders?!?!?!

(sigh) I guess us Defenders/JSA fans are getting
used to this uncomfortable feeling in the backside...