Haha, except every game would go to roll off because no one would want to KO one of their opponent's figures. This reminds me though of these computer shows they used to have twice a year around here, all the "Sales people" were professional models. It was too funny watching that whole set of interactions.

Yes. Much better.
No, no. You're missing my point. A person can understand the many facets of something and still KNOW what THEY are going to do. Choosing to ignore? Maybe.
Let's not take the analogy to absurdity. But I've seen competitive players who have lost a game; break tables, throw punches, and throw cards. So I think there's still some analogous behavior when we're talking about someone who says "If you have Prizes, I MUST win them." As opposed to "if I'm playing, and there's prizes, I will try to win."

Let me clarify. I didn't intend for that to come off as an attack and I see it did. I apologize. What I mean is that I think you're confusing (lumping together) Power-Gamers/Compulsive Winners/Jerks/ and maybe more together because they are on the other line drawn in the sand. I did not mean your thoughts are clouded because you can't stand people disagreeing with you. Their are honest-to-goodness people who like to be jerks (moreso online than in real-life imo) that would say things online to be inflammatory (shocking I know, lol). Likewise there are people that just like to see how they can break a format because THAT's what they enjoy. They might not even play hard or care about winning. They just like the 1-on-1 against the System. A lot of Hackers/Crackers/Coders are like this as are some Heroclix Players (me). Then there's Compulsive Winners. Not much needs to be said. I'm saying you're grouping them all together.

Is that clear/fair?
Please read above.
Maybe this does belong in a separate thread entirely. I maintain the furthest separation lies between those who "need to win" and those who "don't care at all." But I contend that 1) Both groups are rare. Most people aren't that extreme. 2) Both have a lot of similarities including the fact that they play for fun.
We're swimming deep into the sea on Analogies now... but let's say you want to have a party where the main goal is Board Games. You might have snacks and pizza, and Beer. But you might not advertise that fact because you might have people show up who don't care about the Board Games. Dig? I'm not saying it's not a winning combo. But you guys keep pointing out "one turd ruins the punch" and then you entice the turds? Seems like a bad idea to me. I could be wrong. I respect your opinion. But I don't agree.

But I f you win you get that swell Absorbing Man LE. (or whatever.)


Those computer shows freak me out, man.

Let me say that in my scenario, one turd does not ruin the punch whatsoever. If they are overpowering others, pairings will segregate them with other OP teams.

I hope for the best. I've been playing Heroclix a long time, and met a lot of players and honestly the bad ones are really rare in my opinion.

I appreciate the clarification.

I was lumping them together, for the purposes of this conversation, as the mentalities shared by those roughly-delineated groups (in this instance) are the ones that this tournament will have to (in some way) combat if it is to meet overarching goals.

The power gamer, "jerk," and compulsive winner may have different motivations, desires, etc. The fact is that their shared playstyle, unfettered, could undermine the event.

I am, but very specifically for the purposes of THIS TOURNAMENT, and similarly specifically as regards folks who are unable or unwilling to step out of their comfort zone and play a different way.

I'm aware that John is not Jon is not Jhon. If, however:

-John is a power gamer, go big or go home player looking to break whatever scenario is put in front of him

-Jon is a compulsive winner, who derives the bulk of his joy from winning and builds accordingly

-Jhon is a dick just looking to wreck the event just because

They're all capable of doing the same (roughly) amount of damage to the overall event. Thus, I lumped them together for the purposes of this argument.

I do not wish to play against exotic dancers.

1. I cannot see any of them being capable of understanding the game.

- I doubt any of them have ever played before and teaching someone as I go will kill the fun for me.

- I've never been to a place where there were exotic dancers, but I doubt very highly that there's a large portion of the exotic dancer population that is even capable of playing HeroClix EVER no matter how much teaching I did, and I make my living teaching things to people and animals. (Yes, I'm stereotyping the exotic dancer population as a whole. Someone tell me how politically incorrect I am.)

2. There's one person that I'd like to play HeroClix against for the sake of eye-candy and she'd be borrowing my figures for the umpteenth time. I can play against her any day of the week. As much as I enjoy playing against her, if I drove to a Con to play in this event and ended up playing her, I think both of us would feel a little cheated.

I've been a one-woman man for as long as I can remember. It just sucks that I had to wait until nine years ago to find a one-man woman.

3. Numbered Lists about how The Girl is better than exotic dancers? Priceless.

This is also a format I would support.

NOTE: I told my brother and best friend that if they got me a stripper for my bachelor party, she'd spend the hour fully clothed, and I'd teach her to play HeroClix.

Actually, I kind of regret that now. If I ever played Clix with a stripper, that'd be my FB profile photo for life.

I Havenbait to win!

I wasn't actually trying to personalize it or accuse you of trying to cater to one crowd or another, so sorry if that wasn't clear. I was trying to clarify my position and get at why you think it's not possible to do what these guys are trying to do, with prizes.


I've never actually mentioned turds. If I were to jump on that wagon, I would question what is it about prizes that aren't given out for winning that draws out "turds"? We may need to step back and define what "turds" we're trying to avoid to make sure we're all on the same page...preferably with a different term, because I really dislike referring to a group of players as "turds".

Thrumble: ".....then you can fill out your team with these low point figures."


Stripper: "If I put all these trampy girls with this flamey guy, with this little card that says 'Nova Blast' he can do more damage to your little men like this, right?"


Thrumble: "AAUUUUUUUUUGGHHHHHHH!!!!"

Wait. What?

How does "Working Together" represent that post?

The Girl and I would be less like a team base and more like a Duo!



Duh!

(Now watch me get Warned for my use of "Duh" while other posters go on to be far more insulting/flaming.)

I am rendered speechless by your dedication to quality craft.

Thrumble ends up playing a stripper who is a Power Gamer?

THREADWIN.

Char wins guys! Pack it up! Time to go home!