As for the Cap figure...

I'm really, really happy he has Exploit Weakness and not CCE. It makes much more sense to me that he going for the easy shot instead of showing off his attack skills... plus, I think Bats hitting for 4 damage up close is a little ridiculous anyways, and I would rather another standard Marvel Cap have CCE.

Ghost Rider is awesome. Complain about him all you want, but that is one amazingly solid brick for so few points. Could very easily replace Doc Samson on some of my teams. The longer Charge range and higher attack make up for the lack of Perplex.

I love LC/ SS figures, and adding Willpower on the figure made Spidey that much more impressive to me. I think he should be hitting the ground running on most teams that pull him in the Marquee. 58 points? That's sick. And I like this figure better than the 88 point CM one.

Wolverine is kinda lame to me. I really, really wish we had another Charging Wolverine. If they started him with Charge, then went to Flurry, he'd be the best Marvel BCF click in the game (topping Spiral and Logan... still not much of a chance of him taking down V Shi or V Kabuki, though).

And I know this isn't the place, but the E Punisher is an absolute monster. I'd be more than happy with a Cap, Dock Ock, Spidey, Punisher, Ghost Rider team at the Marquee (Very possible/ playable). It's an amazing constructed team on its own.

Hopefully these five/six previews dosen't represent the rest of the Ultimates set because so far it is disappointing. And after giving wizkids so much high regards in Unleashed being such a great set. Unleashed was such a great set that I broke down this time an bought a whole case. Not sure about Ultimates if the rest of the set is like these five/six previews will probably just buy the ones I want from the set loose.

1.) Captain America. I do believe that Cap needed an update from the IC version and that this one is the Ultimates version but they made him too powerful. In giving him Impervious I can see how it can be interpreted, but in doing so it cheapens the Impervious power. Impervious was to represent the godly or cosmic powered beings. In an one on one fight Cap should not be able to take on Thor or Ultron. As part of a team yes but alone.

2.)Doc Octopus is an interesting alteration but I prefer the CT version. The only one I'm interested in is the rookie version. If anyone reads Amazing Spider-Man lately they introduced a younger Doc Oct 2/impostor. I will see the Ultimates version as that one and the CT one at Doc Octavious.

3.) Spder-Man represents the Ultimates version one nice. The only real interest one is the Vet with willpower. Again even thou has two web shooters only has one arrow and still stuck at range of 4. Where is the two arrow 6 range version.

4.)Wolverine. Represents the Ultimates version at least as rookie. Like the tweak of super senses. But in the long run boring.

5.)Punisher. not bad but not sure if representing Marvel U or Ultimates version if there is one. Don't read the Ultimate books. He is a little too powerful. Should only had attack value of 10 at max.

6.) As a Ghost Rider fan I was excited to hear they were making a Ghost Rider fig. Until I saw the sculpted was not sure which version they were doing. Of course figured if they are doing Ultimates version which are most current version of characters they would go with most current Ghost Rider Danny Ketch. Love the sculpt but little disappointed in the stats. He is playable and still want all four versions but this is how I was seeing him stats wise.

I figures he would have an activation click like colossus and such to represent the transformation from Danny Ketch to Ghost Rider. I was expecting Hypersonic Speed with a low movement under 10 to represent him riding the bike, then leap/climb to represent the bike ignoring terrain. That he would have pulse wave to represent the mystical chain exploding in shrunken links hitting everyone around, then later incapacitate for the chain used too capture someone. Also the possibility of super strength because I thought he was on par with spider-man. With defense I figure Start with Invulnerability, then toughness, then last click or two have regeneration. He is an undead demon and the bike is always getting blown to bits and reforms back together. With damage I figured 3 max. He would have exploit weakness to represent the penance stare when he holds the enemy to his face. I was thinking the experience version might not have the activation click to represent when Ghost Rider remained permanently transformed because Danny Ketch human body had a fatal injury and was not sure if he would die when transforming back to human.

Oh well can win them all, At least it is a cool sculpt and is still some what playable. Will have to wait to see what the LE is like. Who knows maybe they will give him his true powers like they did with the Hector Hall LE.

Sonofvader - on second look, you're quite right about Doctor Octopus. Leap Climb/Outwit - very potent, very much like Ultrahumanite without the hassle. I don't know if I'll be putting away my R Black Panther yet though.

And about Punisher - he's the shiznit! I mean, pulling E Punisher, V Ult Spider-Man, and V Ult Cap in a 300 point pull tourney - say hello to your LE!

RedGambit: Especially after the DPC, I've certainly learned the value of Outwit: it gets its job done quickly, then it just kinda sits there (in reference to Kraven, BPanther, other stealthed Outwitters that aren't mobile). An outwit on a stealthed LCer, or even a basic LC figure who can attack, or a Willpower figure with stealth (this one is just for you, DStroke), is worth much more than just a one Outwit, 5 click wonder. I think people who blow over Dock are going to be surprised by his playability in the Marquee setting (much like they were with Dr. Fate).

And I was thinking E Ghost Rider, E Cap, R Dock Ock, E Punisher, R Spidey would be very, very nasty.

I don't chime in usually but here goes my red cents.....

cap...i wish he had charge to go along with his combat reflexes ala hawkgirl...battle fury wouldve been a great representation on his imperivous clix because you cant throw the sheild thats protecting you. Overall he's a dream. I just want to see Ult Magnetos dial....hopefully it will shut up the critics just like the new cap.

wolvie....meh....r is awesome for brotherhood teams.

Spidey....in the words of tenacious D...he's cheap @$$ spidey...I can't wait to play an effective low costing sidey.

Doc Oc....vet is playable.....get scuplt...

Punsiher.....he is only a man.....i wanted a cheap cheap punisher. but I will still play him.....SC rant later

Ghost rider....I can live with him having no power representation of the penance stare because its still shown with that 4 damage. If they didnt take his stare into consideration i belive his damage stat would be 2....3 at most....no regen sucks....no spidey team sucks....activation click drives the price down. but here comes the pain


I WANT TO KNOWN WHAT JEFF GRUB WAS SMOKING WHEN HE DECIDE TO ADD SMOKE CLOUD TO HIM & PUNISHER.....one it just drives up the cost uselessly. two it totally doesnt not fit either figure(maybe punisher but thats stretching it) and three why is a support power, which pretty much all sc is, at the beginning of two nice offensive dials? i can understand the RS/RCE power combo for versatility but why shoot a smoke cloud that cannot even protect the figure using it when you can do 4 friggin damage? if you are gonna die......die getting a token for shooting someone for 4!!!!!

I REALLY THINK JEFF GRUBB & JONL SHOULD POP THEIR HEADS IN ON THIS ONE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR WORK!

G.R. on his bike is faster than Nightcrawler. and about as fast as the others mentioned.

And yes his strength is on par with Spiderman.

As much as I agree that GR was not well represented (Smoke Cloud ?!?!?), you offer some very strange alternatives that make very little sense, too:

Hypersonic Speed?
Yes I realize he is incredibly fast on his bike...but that's not what gives you HSS...it gives you a big range (so a higher range would be appropriate). HSS on GR is plain wrong! He does not rapidly drive from one indoor room to another hitting people in drive-bye (the sheer imagination is ridiculous...just like HSS on Silver Surfer).
Charge is perfect, because that'S what he often does.

Psychic Blast?
I'd agree if this was the John Blaze GR who'd shoot hellfire from his fists. The Dan Ketch GR didn't have that ability. His penance stare would be perfectly reflected by EW, though.

Physic blast was for the penance stare, though I guess EW would work just as well.

And no he doesn't drive from room to room hitting people while riding by, but he does do it outside quite often.

I have to chime in here as a Ghost Rider fan. I think we can ALL agree that Smoke Cloud is completely wrong. And if they gave him HSS, I would have complained that it was completely wrong as well. Charge represents what he did.

I have to agree, I think he should have gotten 1 to 2 clix MAX of Regen (like Deathstroke), but since he's got Toughness most of the way down, and his Defense doesn't drop below 14 in the Vet, I can live with that.

I think he should have had Exploit Weakness near the end of his dial (much like everyone else). However, since he starts out with a 4, I can overlook that. I'd have started him out with a 3 myself.

I also agree he should have 1 version that doesn't require an activation clix, for when Danny was fatally wounded. However, they missed doing that with the Colossus E (when he was stuck armored up) as well. So I can overlook that.

With any luck, the LE will either not have the activation clix, or have Exploit Weakness, or have either Fantastic Four or Spider-Team ability. If the LE has none of the above, then that would be a huge let down.

The HSS on Nightcrawler is meant to represent his teleporting and attacking someone, so that's faster than GR on his bike.

And you can't seriously compare the speed of GR to Flash, Superman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel or Amazo.

Yeah, I agree, Charge is just fine for GR. While I do wish there were more Marvel clix with HSS, I want it to be people that actually move at least the speed of sound, like Quicksilver.

Jus' my humble opinion, and I know it's unpopular, but Charge seems a bit silly to me, in this context..

I always imagined Charge as a kind of head-on, bullrush attack.. Juggernaut ramming into the Hulk with all his bodymass.. or Beast leaping up to dropkick Magneto in the chest..

..something about the image of Ghost Rider 'ramming' into someone with his bike - while it may be interesting, and effective on the rare occasion - just doesn't seem as likely and realistic as the 'ride-by' chain-lashing (from 4 range) tactic that could be represented with HSS....

And as far as the comparison between his motorcycle and the likes of Flash or Superman, that's a bit like comparing Spiderman's Super Strength to the Hulk, isn't it? Is Hulk a LOT stronger than webhead? Sure! But, does Spiderman nonetheless have Super Strength? Absolutely!

..jus' my 2..

I'll agree looking at it that way, it seems silly. However, GR does attack on the move a lot. I don't care what anyone says, he shouldn't have HSS.

You could give him Running Shot to simulate a drive-by attack with his flailing chain, but to me that seems silly. His range is for his chain, fully extended. To me, he should have to do that WITHOUT moving. However, he should be able to move and attack, hence Charge. Besides, I'm sure you can probably find a comic somewhere, where he rode over a guy, or landed his bike on top of them. Bottom line, I don't think GRs charge is any different than Beasts. Neither of them are "ramming" into anyone.

Besides, you also have to take into consideration the "no knock back" portion of the power. That also works for a guy on a motorcycle, don't you think?

I'm still hard-line for no HSS unless the character moves incredibly fast. Yeah, alot of characters move and attack in the comics, but is that a power? Plus, the Flash or Jesse Quick just wouldn't be as special; in fact, they wouldn't be too good at all if Wizkids started handing out alot more hypersonic speed.