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I am red. Still catching up, but saw votes on me and wanted to disclose what I have. I keep expecting a pm to tell me my results, but I don't actually have results to get. Sorry.
Yeah, I'm the brood queen. I got no regrets about it. I am a role block.
Rokk_Krinn- "Telling the truth and sticking by it always looks clumsier because it's not a pre-planned malice."
Based on what? Mike and Kallum shouldn't be attempting kills on the same night if they are aligned. We've seen them do it twice when it "didn't matter," once to hit you but you didn't die and once to kill Grinner after Hellspawn already did.
Convince me those hits were real.
I want a full list of targets from Dark before I make a judgement on this on way or another. If Mafia has two kills, which I could believe, then I would definitely say these hits are real.
Kontrol might have another reason to think he was targeted by a kill.
I drove the rat into the ground last day phase. I'm not scum. I opened and closed against cbobV2. Never laid off. Why would I do that as scum?
This is true and a good point, I didn't consider this as much as I should have. Worth noting that Cbob was basically dead and you did almost hammer him before a potential day kill could have sped up the town process, but who knows.
JOH: Voted against not one but two CBob lynches, has been involved or leading several bad lynches, including of a JL member.
TheDarkstone: Hasn't posted much, just sneaks in a vote here and there. Hellspawn seems unkillable, and he has too many abilities for a level two.
Nifty: Has had several off posts and hasn't made good use of his tracking abilities. Claims to have become Skarn, which seems weird considering his previous character's goals.
Fred: Snowblind hasn't turned up much, and another tracking town power seems excessive. Also seems like a solid mafia fake claim.
Grizz: Hasn't really explained his powers, and being unclear is a mafia trait.
Kontrol: I forgot what his power was, therefore mafia.
Me: Led a lynch opposing a Cbob lynch, late to share tracking results always
Linkor: Doesn't have a lot of results pointing his way, questionable character and questionable abilities
I had lots of results till my recent death. Even after that, I have akela as an obvious result of my actions. I also pushed the Cbob train. Don't take all the credit for it.
I also don't remember kontrol power, but I think he was a pusher (may have changed).
Jack has been a tad to obviously Lamplighter this whole game in my opinion. But I can't prove he isn't, so I'm content with him for now.
Grizz really has not spilled his power yet?
Fred being a tracker frustrates me. Lots of bloody trackers this go round.
I rezzed nifty, so I at least believe his claim of akela.
Darkstone is a killer.
Rokk_Krinn- "Telling the truth and sticking by it always looks clumsier because it's not a pre-planned malice."
This is true and a good point, I didn't consider this as much as I should have. Worth noting that Cbob was basically dead and you did almost hammer him before a potential day kill could have sped up the town process, but who knows.
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I appreciate you changing your mind.
The near hammer was an accident, even if I have no regrets.
(My last post is not directed at you, merely evaluating and using your post as a template.)
Rokk_Krinn- "Telling the truth and sticking by it always looks clumsier because it's not a pre-planned malice."
1) Evaluate for each player the certainty they are who they say they are. Just claims, writeups and night results. What would it take for that character to be a ghost write, those actions to have been something else if that player is really Kallum?
2) Evaluate for each player the certainty they are town, completely independent of claim. Are they trying to hunt/solve? Are they trying to lynch mafia members or townies?
Put your thoughts to paper. At this point, one tinfoil theory is right. Let's test the tinfoil and see what looks right and what looks wrong.
I also suggest putting these evaluations in spoilers and not checking each other's until you are done. If someone takes a guess and everyone follows without giving independent thought and he's wrong, we're right back where we started.
I'm not very good at this, and I'll be honest that I have been laying sod all day and am a bit sunburned, so I'm not at my best. I'm going to try this though.
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First I'd like to say all the claims seem good, but that's kinda the point right?
CaptainNifty - claims Akela and Skarrn. Akela was dragged by Gangles and Skarrn made a daykill. Solid claims. Skarrn could be bad, but would take a lot of behind the scenes shenanigans to be bad.
Linkor - great tracking results, but I don't believe he's claimed. I can't remember what he had on cbob, but there was a particular interaction with cbob, made me think they could possibly be scummy together, but the fact that he claims to have rezzed Akela and Akela has been resurrected means he's not likely to be scum.
grizzzadams - claimed Doomedbot since the beginning of the game (day 2 I think). Saved Nightstalker in the right up. CMD claim makes me nervous, because misdirectors have been making info gathering really hard for much of the game.
Jackofhearts2005 - Very good night targets (except for eldritch, but that was clearly a misdirect). No way Lamplighter is not in this game.
The Darkstone - claims Hellspawn. Hellspawn is seen making nightkills. Seen making kills the same nights as scum makes kills. The only thing that makes me nervous is that he is still alive. He claims kills have a chance of being misdirected off of him, but man it's happened almost every night. That luck is just crazy improbable.
kontrol - claims Nightstalker. Don't know what he does. Don't know what his previous character did. Some kind of push, but not really. Very confusing. Not likely Kallum or Michael, but the vaguery bothers me.
Fredwood - was a doctor. A little bit hinky where he was made a bomb? Hasn't happened again. Don't know who he is now for sure (Snowblind likely), but don't know what he does. Without checking the write-ups, I don't think he's likely to be Kallum or Michael, but I think it's possible.
TonyKrin - Varuna and Eldritch is a good claim. Varuna has gone missing in the write-up for multiple nights. Eldritch is died in the crazyness that was the Lightning Rod. Accurate RT results. Have been hesitant to share info.
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This is going to be a lot of gut reactions based on day posting.
CaptainNifty - Defended Skullbro even when he was other peoples' number 1. Has given all of his info.
Linkor - Link doesn't feel like he's been very helpful in the day time this game, but he voted bob pretty early in the lynch yesterday. I doubt the mafia would vote for a buddy at this stage in the game.
grizzzadams - got a solid claim. Scum hunted really well in the first few days. Has been kinda all over the place and keeps tunneling on me for little things, without looking at the bigger picture. Second to vote for bob, second to vote for TBB, that means he's probably a good guy.
14) Jackofhearts2005 - The only thing that really bothers me about Jack is that he seems to be conducting at end game. That's pretty good mafia tell for Jack. However, there seems to be some desperation that makes me err on the side of him being good.
The Darkstone - If I look at his votes and day posting Dark is scum. He's quiet. He didn't vote for TBB. He didn't vote for cbob2.0. I'm not sure that he's voted at all. He could be scum with a really good town claim, and that's how he's managed to lay low and stay off people's radar. His claim is so good, but man his day time posting is $#!*.
kontrol - Is the opposite of The Darkstone. I have no idea really what he's been doing at night (yeah, he's listed targets, but he's been vague on what he was doing), but he's been on fire during the day. He's got a pretty good voting record (both TBB and cbob2.0). The only thing that makes me not say his daytime record is clear, is that he was one of the last votes to be cast in both scum lynches.
Fredwood - Where you been? Fred was so active when he was Primefire, but his activity feels like its decreased dramatically the last couple of phases. He's the only person not to vote at all yesterday. He also didn't vote for TBB. Not being on either scum lynch is problematic. I think scum is less likely to buss if there was a small mafia.
TonyKrin - This is hard. Two different posters. There multivoting is troubling. They don't seem particularly deliberative in how they use it, despite clearly having more than one vote, they seem to just throw it around. They've tunneled really bad on Long Con. They didn't vote for TBB. They voted for cbob2.0, but only after he was clearly going to swing. I feel they've led us on a not so merry chase.
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Makes me feel more certain about skullbro being the doc he claimed to be.
Me too.
It's one of the reasons, I'm disliking TonyKrinnPrime. They seemed particularly strong on Skullbro from what I remember. Not as strong as Jack, but Jack seems less tunnel-y.
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TonyKrin - Varuna and Eldritch is a good claim. Varuna has gone missing in the write-up for multiple nights. Eldritch is died in the crazyness that was the Lightning Rod. Accurate RT results. Have been hesitant to share info.
I blame Rokk on the hesitance. He kinda yelled at me the first time so I've been waiting on him then on out.
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TonyKrinn - This is hard. Two different posters. There multivoting is troubling. They don't seem particularly deliberative in how they use it, despite clearly having more than one vote, they seem to just throw it around. They've tunneled really bad on Long Con. They didn't vote for TBB. They voted for cbob2.0, but only after he was clearly going to swing. I feel they've led us on a not so merry chase.
Yeah, I tend to do that with votes. It's a nice pressure tool. It's like waving a temperamental AK47 at someone if you want them to talk.
I didn't have a vote yesterday, so I only placed on Cbob as a note of intent, if I had kept my vote on SkullBro and Cbob voted there earlier, SkullBro would have been lynched assuming LC indeed was the one who stole my vote. I did advocate for the daykill to be used on Cbob.
It's one of the reasons, I'm disliking TonyKrinnPrime. They seemed particularly strong on Skullbro from what I remember. Not as strong as Jack, but Jack seems less tunnel-y.
That would be correct. I can't defend myself from the truth.
In my defense, SkullBro seemed particularly scummy.
Makes me feel more certain about skullbro being the doc he claimed to be.
Eh.
I mean, I do believe Skullbro but I made him target me under the idea that if I died, he was mafia and no townie player would be eliminated and if I didn't die, he'd at least be cleared as the mafia hitperson.