Oh, okay. See, I thought that was legal. So...interesting.

I still would figure it has to be share value from a TA and then modify value by feat with Perplex being left out of the possibility because the action has already started.

I think that the modifiers would apply after the sharing. I see two kinds of Attack Values to explain my view : 1 starting attack values. 2 effective attack values.

The starting attack values would be any AV that doesn't require an actual attack : your printed AV, shared AV (you can share without attacking) or perplexed AV (again, you can PPX without attacking)

The effective attack value would come AFTER your starting attack value is set. These AV require an attack be made (Hydra/PD bonuses or in this case, Feats modifiers).

So in my mind, the feats clearly come after the TA sharing.

Does that make sense?

I can find no timing requirement for the SinSyn/BE TAs, simply that can use another AV instead of your own. In fact, it does not say "at any time" like, for example, the UXM TA. As such, I would say that you would have to use it before the attack action is declared.

Also, I see no reason you cannot Perplex a replacement value borrowed in this manner (unless, of course, there is a non-FAQ ruling that I am unaware of)...

It was a ruling at some point--definitely pre-Universe. It was a discussion in WK's Judges Forum, but, since I'm no longer a judge, I don't know if it's searchable/findable.

So here's our possibilities until someone can find this pre-Universe ruling...

Share value
Perplex
Take the action with feat modifiers

OR

Perplex
Share value (Perplex wasted...awww...bad hasty hooker!)
Take action with feat modifiers

BUT ABSOLUTELY NO
Take action with feat modifiers
Share value to "erase" negative feat modifiers

Bump...anyone find the ruling?

There's an old ruling from DrG saying that this type of TA should only share values during an attack, as otherwise the attack and defense values aren't as important. That doesn't make the modifier/replacement issue much less wobbly, but it's what there is. *shrug*

My only question would be the timing of this ruling. If it was made before "replacement values" became an actual game term, the ruling would actually become moot with the Universe rule set overhaul.

It was after replacement values were part of the Heroclix lexicon. (The notion of replacement values was part of the discussion.)

So this would be a simplistic order?

Perplex
Share value (Perplex wasted...awww...bad hasty hooker!)
Take action with feat modifiers

hrmmm....

Any chance I can get someone to re-post exactly what he said? HC says that DrG said that the TA 'should' work only during an action.

I can see this one of 2 ways:

1. In DrG's personal opinion, the TAs would only work this way, but it is still up to the designers to make the decision.

2. He discussed it with the designers, and thier intent is that the TAs work only during an attack action.

If the latter is true, why hasn't it been FAQed to date?

I still see no reason the order cannot be like this:

Share Value
Perplex
Declare action (and use feat)

And it was on his list to be FAQed, but never ended up being FAQed. As to why that is...there are numerous rulings that people rely on all the time that have yet to be FAQed. This one is no different. So take it for what it is worth. (It is how DrGandalf would have ruled it as would HeroComplex. I can't speak to how Hair10 would rule it, but he can obviously post his own holding.)

OK, if that is the designer's intent, then I can deal with it. However, the rules, as written currently, seam to suggest otherwise.

You mean you want to understand his reasoning behind what he said? Shocking!