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and the spirit of the pockey universe is still hanging around, maybe they hooked up? Then again, this could be a totally diff Zod from the bottle city of Kandor, who escaped. So many people from Kyrpton seem to be doing this as of late..... well, except Kara, but then, still, so much for Supes being the last son of Krypton.
Here's what JacinB got off of the Superman Homepage website:
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Originally posted by JacinB Alright, here's what I got from the Superman Homepage info:
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As Krypton explodes, Kal suddenly finds himself standing atop a building. The landscape around him is completely unscathed from any battle. The sun in the sky is no closer than it should be. Kal suddenly hears his father's voice, and turns to see a floating image of a robotic head. Jor-el tells him that this is a dream. He will maintain the reality. With his influence, Krypton will continue in a golden ago. However, it must completely be sealed off from the rest of the world. Either he must stay, or he needs to leave forever. With a sad look on his face, he thanks Jor-el for being a good father, and touches the energy crystal.
Inside the Fortress, Superman feeds the crystal into the Eradicator, and hopes the truth about the other Krypton can cure his madness. The giant tells Superman that he feels healed and complete for the first time in a long time. He then tells him that the Krypton he saw was one of 80,000 years ago, a period that Jor-el had loved and therefore written about in his journals. Then he tells him that Jor-el had been a perfect match to the real Jor-el, and that only he could have restarted the program. Superman then tells the Eradicator to leave the holograms of both his parents. While they weren't real, he learned more from them then he ever could his "real" parents. Plus, he still has Krypto.
Inside the completely isolated Krypton, Jor-el and Lara sit on a hilltop picnicking, and waving. Across the field, a young black-haired boy waves back as he rides an animal. On his chest is a very familiar pentagon.
So, we've got Jor-El and Lara 'alive' on this 'new Krypton' at the end of the story, with a boy who looks like young Clark (which would be the now grown-up Clark we have in this story, explaining why we have both Clark and Superman in the same place at the same time).
Jor-El and Lara are apparently androids, though, which would explain the yellow fluid and no blood when Equus rips Jor-El in half. It would also explain why when Jor-El asks Equus what he is, Equus responds 'Alive.'
You know, I'm starting to think that re-reading that story would help this story make a lot more sense ...
He posted this earlier on the General Zod thread.
1/6th of the Brothers Prob. '19-'20 Season: 15-13(8 events) 2 wins, 2nd XDPS PR 9-7, 7th SOC
I'm going to ditto recommendations for Firestorm and Deadshot.
Firestorm has been a neat little twist on the idea, and seeing ROnnie back is cool. My theory is that he was in Lorraine's head all this time, and then hooked up with Jason once he merged with Lorraine.
I'm also wondering if he's going to get a real physical body out of all of this, or just stick around in Jason's head.
The fight between Deadshot and GA was great, especially the resolution. I think Ollie'd be a little less chummy with Deadshot, even if he is currently doing some good.
With what I know abotu FLoyd, I really really am worried that this series is going to take a nasty turn.
And Adam Strange is a hoot, especially if you miss DC Space Opera like I do.
....the one thig nobody's mention: Bizarro World! I only read a few stories, but they had me cracking up. Especialy the one-pager with "Marvel Family Circus"
ANYBODY who thinks the Azz/Lee Superman Arc is good needs to quit reading comics all together, i thought Chuck Austen's Superman over in Action was bad this entire arc has been vomit unducing awful from the get go
Originally posted by AlgertMan ANYBODY who thinks the Azz/Lee Superman Arc is good needs to quit reading comics all together, i thought Chuck Austen's Superman over in Action was bad this entire arc has been vomit unducing awful from the get go
Yeah, I guess. Well, unless you're the type of person who actually likes stories that reference and rely on you knowing the background from other 'classic' stories. You know, the kind of stuff that not only follows but also builds on continuity.
It's really a pain in the arse when a writer knows more about the history of the character than you do, and then actually has the gall to reference and build that story on that history ...
Me? I much prefer lazy comics that are all fighting an no story, or are at best a flimsy plot that's an excuse for fighting. That's why War Games was so good and Identity Crisis stunk.
Quote : Originally Posted by hair10, Gentlegamer, doctorfate77, d_knight7, etc.
JacinB is right.
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Superman-based interactive entertainment products tend to be very bad, because an accurate Superman game would have one button labeled "Use Powers" and you would press it and win.
Originally posted by JacinB Yeah, I guess. Well, unless you're the type of person who actually likes stories that reference and rely on you knowing the background from other 'classic' stories. You know, the kind of stuff that not only follows but also builds on continuity.
It's really a pain in the arse when a writer knows more about the history of the character than you do, and then actually has the gall to reference and build that story on that history ...
Me? I much prefer lazy comics that are all fighting an no story, or are at best a flimsy plot that's an excuse for fighting. That's why War Games was so good and Identity Crisis stunk.
Could someone fill me in on what the current supes arc is refrencing? The last time I read Superman before the current arc was back when he had exiled himself to space. I don't need a whole run down since then, but I'd like a little more info on why this whole thing is happening. Thanks!
It interweaves a number of older Superman stories, actually.
To begin with, in the 'Return to Krypton' story, Braniac 12 used a pocket universe within the Phantom Zone to re-create Krypton. It was complete with Jor-El, Lara (who was pregnant with Kal-El), Kru-El (who wanted to resurrect Zod), and Raoist fanatics that wanted to destroy Jor-El's technological advances because Jor-El had told them that the planet was dying.
At the end of this arc, as referenced earlier, this 'new Krypton' wasn't destroyed but was preserved within the pocket universe inside the Phantom Zone. The last we saw of it, Jor-El and Lara were picnicking on a hillside with young Kal-El (the powerless Clark in the current story) playing in the fields around them.
Lois had asked Clark if he knew that Earth was going to be destroyed and he could only save one person, would he choose to save their child (who, obviously, hasn't even been concieved yet). He said that it wouldn't happen because he wouldn't ever have to make that choice.
Why? Well, as a result of what happened to his own homeworld, Superman saw saving just one person (rather than using the Phantom Zone technology to save them all) as his father's failure. So, he used that 'new Krypton' that'd been created by Braniac 12 within Phantom Zone to make a place where the entire population of earth could be evacuated to, if need be.
The place was, of course, a paradise.
However, Orr (who I think is actually Ares) or someone, came up with a 'weapon' (or got ahold of Superman's evacuation device) that caused 1 million random people to be sent to the Phantom Zone's 'new Krypton', causing 'the Vanishing'.
Well, of course, there are also a lot of people that Jor-El had 'Banished' into the Phantom Zone... including General Zod. Zod, of course, had been executed by Superman, but had continued to exist as a dark entity within the Phantom Zone (this is the same entity that helped the guy from Pokolistan become 'Zod' and nearly defeat Superman back around the time of 'Our Worlds at War').
Now, also near the end of the 'Return to Krypton' arc, Jor-El's life was saved by Kru-El whom Jor-El had promised his cloning technology to. When Kru-El sacrificed himself, with his dying words, he reminded Jor-El of his promise to resurrect (ie: clone) Zod.
He did, and Zod was the same bad guy that he's always been. Superman (with the help of Jor-El) defeated him, but Zod escaped alive (and, apparently, with the dark spirit of the original Zod within him).
So, now, we've got Jor-El and Lara on 'new Krypton' with thier grown-up son 'Clark'. They're living in Superman's 'Paradise' which he named Metropia. Jor-El is the defender of the city.
Jor-El isn't 'real', though. He and Lara are androids. Thus, when Jor-El is sent to stop Equus and Zod, Zod thinks that Kal-El is mocking him. That's also why when Jor-El asks Equus what he is, Equus replies 'Alive.' And, it why when Jor-El is torn in half, he leaks a yellow fluid rather than blood.
And, that brings us to where we are now: Superman and Lois in Metropia, with Superman preparing to throw down with the General Zod. Orr (Ares) is back on Earth trying to get a weapon that would allow him (or Zod) to kill Superman. And, Azzarello has 2 issues with which to wrap it up ...
I think that about covers it all, doesn't it?
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Quote : Originally Posted by hair10, Gentlegamer, doctorfate77, d_knight7, etc.
JacinB is right.
Quote : Originally Posted by Lore Sjöberg
Superman-based interactive entertainment products tend to be very bad, because an accurate Superman game would have one button labeled "Use Powers" and you would press it and win.
I must be really grouchy this week, I didn’t enjoy a single book.
Deadshot #3 Really disappointed in the resolution of the Green Arrow/Deadshot confrontation. Ollie just wouldn’t let him walk like that, not after the brutal murders he committed in the strip club last issue. I recognise that there was no other way to resolve this, other than putting Floyd in jail or have him kill Ollie, but this just didn’t ring true for me.
Swamp Thing #12 Messy end to a messy arc that looked like it might be going somewhere last issue. All we get are the needlessly returned Arcane almost winning, then being thwarted almost by chance in the last movement. Despite an attempt at flowery Moore-like prose and some over-the-top gore from the artist, this book still remains a pretender to it’s old self. (my last issue)
Superman #213 See rant above…. Things start to make more sense as we get an idea of WHAT’s been happening, but I’m still extremely unhappy with the characters and their motivations in this arc. Two issues left to surprise me and wrap it up in a satisfactory and entertaining way, or I’ll be wondering why I didn’t spend my money on a more deserving title this past year, or better yet .. Clix!!