one a simliar note, use nebula instead of cyclops

she has equal range and stats(but with better depth) and is only two points less (assuming we meant non-ultimate cyclops)

but heres the best part, she has mastermind!!!! so the meat shields are in just that!

I too, thought on first skimming that Outsiders shut down all stat modifiers, but indeed that is not what it says.

It says "The target may not be the target of powers or team abilities that modify it's combat values.

This means outside powers. A figure does not target himself with his own powers (except Perplex). They are inherent to the figure.

So basically Outsiders abiity shuts down these powers being used against the target:

Team Abilities
Perplex
Enhance
Defend

Essentially anything that alters the pure numbers on the dial. Not the target's own personal powers.

Definitely not Defend or TAs like Sinister Syndicate or JSA b/c those are not modifiers but rather replacement values. I don't think Outsiders will affect those at all. TA's like Hydra, PD, and SHIELD as well as Enhancement and Perplex I'm sure will be included. The grey area is things like Ranged Combat Expert, Close Combat Expert, Energy Shield/Deflection and the close combat version of HSS (where you increase defense by one).

Being "replaced" is being "modified". If it is anything ohtner than a figure's original stats, that would be a modification.

At least that would be my interpretation of the rule.

But then again, I've been wrong before, and probably will be again. LOL!

We've seen some crazy rulings in the past.

It's been ruled that replacements are *not* modifiers. When the Rule of 3 was new, people thought it might nerf Defenders/JSA/Batman Enemy/Sinister Syndacte.

Fair enough.

All this madness just because some couldn't refuse the temptation to use "The Hooker Bomb" with Firelord every single week. LOL!

Got to love those power gamers. Not!

I wouldn't be so sure. Hydra, PD, SHIELD, and Enhancement don't really target. They simply state that the other figure must be adjacent.


Kinda like how a figure can close combat attack a Stealthed fig but can't range combat attack them....



just a thought.....

Like the Outsiders Team Ability needed to be any worse...


But yeah, that's what it says... "Target."

So really, the only thing that it prevents is Perplex it would seem... or am I missing another modifying targeting somethingorother?

It would also stop Enhance. As the Enhancer has to choose who is getting the Enhance.

It would stop those Team Abilities also. You still have to anounce who is bebefitting from your Team Powers. Therefore you are declaring a target. Whether you have to roll or not is superfluous.

Just wait and see. (And then complain because you don't like it for one reason or another. ) We'll see what happens.

I would love to see it turn the target into pure printed stats. That's still nowhere near as bad as Outwitting, since all the target's other powers are still runnng.

It will just return some of the fun to the game of figures duking it out, without stacking the deck with a bunch of Perplexers.

You want a tough guy on your team? Pay for him instead of a bunch of cheap Con Artists.

We had to house rule at our venue that you couldn't have more than two of each generic figure.

The side effect of that though, is now it's hard to make Agent Teams, like SHIELD or Gotham PD effective.

That works too, but its best if you use it to protect your own team. Put up a barrier around your figures and then nobody can attack them.


Also, basing the fig with TS doesn't work against Amazo, since with HSS he can just zip away without rolling to break.

It would prevent him from using his rce + trick shot, if that's what you wanted to do though. Although I do agree that it's generally worthless to try and do that to an hss rcer like Amazo, KC Supes, or Nefaria. You're better off just outwitting hss, then running a tie up piece next to them.