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09/07/2005, 10:16

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Quote : Originally Posted by sluggo

they got hit so hard and so quickly and by one of their own, is the one of the few things that hadn't happend to he team before.

Vision ?

Wonder Man ?

Dr. Druid ?

Iron Man (in that horrible Teen Tony arc ?)

09/07/2005, 12:43

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If I remember right, those guys turned on the team when they were being controled by someone else, Reaper also used a bunch of dead avengers to attack them once as well. But this was one of the earlier Avengers turning on her team (sure she was out if her mind) on her own, not being controled by someone else. It started bad and got worse and worse for them - I dont' think the story arc will go down in Comic history as being great or anything but it wasn't a bad story by any streach.

Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.

09/07/2005, 16:07

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Th e concept may have been sound but the execution (no pun intended) was miserable. Hawkeye's death was one of the worst death scenes I've ever read.

09/08/2005, 08:55

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Best ever was trashing Grant Morrison's entire what, 3 year run on New X-Men ... which was top 5 in the sales chart every month, and reinvented and invigorated a tired bloated franchise.

It took Joe Q and his bloated ego a whole month to let washed up hack Chris Claremont erase it all with Excalibur ...

Mr. Claremont did NOT undo or erase anything.

Grant Morrison was interviewed by Wizard MAgazine right after he came onto NXM. In that interview he stated that his time on the book would be limited. He was only going to stay on NXM until he ran out of stories to tell. He also said that his run would definitely shake up the status quo and rock the foundation. BUT-- he also said in the same interview that when he does decide to leave everything would be as if he never came on the book.

Prior to him writing NXM (IIRC) Magneto was either believed dead or he was brain dead or something similar on Genosha. Nothing changed at the start of Excalibur.

Morrison was also quoted in a post-NXM interview in defending his uber-psychotic Magneto/Xorn. He stated he was making a point and exagerrating the fact that many writers always seem to fall back on using "bad guys" as tyrants and terrorists only out to "Rule the World." Mr. Morrison was letting people know that this way of thinking is SO outdated and he depicted that in his NXM run by making Magneto/Xorn an amalgamation of every "bad guy" who's role was to be "crazy" and "out to rule the world."

All Mr. Claremont did at the beginning of Excalibur was bring HIS Magneto back. Remember, CC wrote Magneto LONGER than any other writer. CC was the guy that originally turned (read: developed/matured/evolved) Magneto from the stereotypical "bad guy" into a man who began to question his actions. A man who began to accept responsibility for his past and future actions. A man that began to question his role in this world and that there has to be a better way to effect change in society than ruling over it.

When Mr. Claremont was basically fired off the X-Books waaaay back in 1991 what was one of the first things that the new writers did? They brought back Magneto and basically ignored well over 8+ years of ongoing character evolution that CC affected in Magneto. They turned him back into the quintessential "bad guy" who was 2-dimensional and only out to cause havok and rule the world.

If anything, Morrison's NXM run was poking fun at this. His departure left a hole for Mr. Claremont to bring back the "true" Magneto. His Magneto. The one that had evolved as a character and as a man over time. A character that did not remain stagnant like Morrison was suggesting most writers do.

Hmmmm... I got nothin'

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