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It's funny that as much as everyone here hates Bendis he some how keeps producing comics that people are buying. The top comics sold are consistently Marvel titles, followed by DC occassionally stealing a few top spots. Wizard, for what it is worth, rates him in the Top 10 writers month after month.
Now, I do agree that in the last two years, my interest in DC has skyrocketed. I started with just JLA and have expanded to Teen Titans, Outsiders, JSA, Batman, Villians United, and the all the Crisises issues.
I am skeptical of Civil War. I feel it is a rsponse to DC's Crisis. I almost feel like they are trying to play catch-up.
I've read a lot of reactions to OYL books over at the DC message boards. They are all mixed. Some people are really loving books that other are hating. To each his (or her) own!
Here's my take:
Superman / Action - great
Batman / Detective - very good
Robin - very good
Aquaman - very good
Green Lantern - very good
Teen Titans - good
JSA - ok
Firestorm - ok
Hawkgirl - ok
Nightwing - bad
Green Arrow - bad
Outsiders - terrible
Killing Conner is significantly less bold once you find out DC was losing the rights to superboy.
Actually, that had NOTHING to do with the death of superboy. Dan Dido already stated that it's just chance that both news pieces happen to happen at the same time. You do realize that DC wasn't assuming they were going to lose nor would they have just dropped it completely. If they did lose ultimately then they would have simply striked another deal. Get your facts straight first befoe assuming something.
Personally, I have been 100% disappointed in the big, "world-shaking" epics churned out by both Marvel and DC. HoM wasn't much fun for me, Civil War seems even less so. IC started great, but then lost it's way, and OYL is a big downer as well. I'm at the point where, across the board, I've dropped every title that directly ties into these story lines. Maybe, when the dust settles in a year or two, when new writers take over and everyone starts telling stories that have nothing to do with this stuff, maybe I'll pick some of them back up. But probably I won't. That whole fool me once, fool me twice thing, you know? So goodbye Titans, Birds of Prey and Batman - though it pains me terribly to say it. So long Spidey, Avengers and all the rest. Conan is going to be as mainstream as I'll get. Time to read more Indy stuff - where they actually have to scratch and claw and fight every inch of the way to put out a great story to stay afloat. When shareholder dividends drive comics we all lose - OYL and CW are living proof.
Actually, that had NOTHING to do with the death of superboy. Dan Dido already stated that it's just chance that both news pieces happen to happen at the same time. You do realize that DC wasn't assuming they were going to lose nor would they have just dropped it completely. If they did lose ultimately then they would have simply striked another deal. Get your facts straight first befoe assuming something.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you'd be naive to think they weren't at least planning to cover their bases knowing it was a possible outcome.
Simply said, it'd be smart planning to at least write Conner out for the time being, whether or not they think they'd win or lose. That way, if they win, they bring him back, if not, then immediate plans would not be in jeopardy due to suddenly losing his rights.
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I'm only reading Green Lantern and JSA in the OLY stuff, but so far, they're rocking my world.
Oh! And Battle for Bludhaven, which I think is shaping up to be very exciting. Anyone else get pangs of Katrina reading it, though? Living on the Gulf Coast, that kind of stuff is kinda easier to relate to.
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dc has been working on the whole crisis story for the past 2 years before they put it out, it's not like they just decided 4 months ago that since they might possibly be losing the rights to superboy to kill him in the coming issues, they probably had this planned from even before day one. I don't know, that's just my whole take on it. Please don't get mad at me or say mean things to me.
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you'd be naive to think they weren't at least planning to cover their bases knowing it was a possible outcome.
Simply said, it'd be smart planning to at least write Conner out for the time being, whether or not they think they'd win or lose. That way, if they win, they bring him back, if not, then immediate plans would not be in jeopardy due to suddenly losing his rights.
You say you aren't but the tin foil over your head says otherwise.
Even if they lost, all that it would mean is that they would have worked out a new deal as they don't plan to lose the option to
Best proof, even if Connor is dead, You still have Superboy Prime to worry about. You also have a Superboy Prime toy that is coming out in a couple of months. You don't think that any lawsuit would effect that?
1. Siegel's estate filed a "termination of copyright transfer" motion in 1999 asserting that they wished to withdraw Siegel's 1938 sale of his half of the Superman concept to DC/National Publications. This is still tied up in court, and basically the Siegels don't actually possess any portion of the Superman copyright at this time. The main issue is that copyright termination is automatic, except in cases of material being made "work-for-hire". Which I think is the crux of the legal case, whether these works were WFH.
2. The reason Superman and Superboy are two separate cases initially seems weird, but the fact is that Superman was created and sold to National in 1938, while it was several years later that Siegel pitched Superboy to them, including various relatively novel concepts such as Smallville, Lana Lang and eventually Pete Ross (though that may not have been Siegel, I don't know.) National repeatedly rejected Siegel's "Superboy" idea but then published a Superboy story based on his script while he was in the Army, which he ended up successfully suing them over.
3. Also in the early days of Superboy and in Siegel's initial pitch, Superboy wasn't so much the public costumed figure that Superman was -- he was more of like a secret superpowered samaratian. I haven't paid enough attention to this case to know for sure, but the existence of Smallville could actually bolster the Siegel estate's claim, since it seems to be a pretty direct translation of Siegel's pitch for the adventures of Superboy.
As for how this turns out, in the unlikely event the final arbitration actually rules that the estates own any portion of the copyright, I can almost guarantee that they'll just set up some new sort of compensation package with Time Warner.
More proof of that. The Superboy DVD comes out in a couple of months. So no matter what, Time Warner would just work out a new deal, much like there is currently a deal for Wonder Woman and Superman. The events of Crisis have nothing to do with the pending lawsuit.
I actually enjoy giant crossovers with "universe shattering" effects across titles. Now, some have been good and some have been bad, but I think it encourages the staff of any company to explore character development or refine the mythos of a character. We may, from Crisis or HOM get some suprising new characters (Shadowpact) plus find out just why we like the old characters as much as we do. Though, I did really dislike House of M. The writing was a bit off and there was no build-up in other titles (Except, perhaps, Avengers?), which is something that DC did very effectively for Infinite Crisis.
Well, it's lasting forever more. It's not like they'll rewind to the previous year. As for when it all gets caught up again, Once 52 ends next year (since it's a year long weekly comic) then we'll be completely caught up on the missing year and find out all the peices to the puzzle on what happened in that one year and from there, it'll go as normal.
The only OYL book I've picked up is Green Arrow, because I was reaaly digging it before. Now, its alright, I just wish they had gone into his "death" a bit more. The only mention was Ollie saying something like, "And everyone was sure that the Green Arrow was dead!". I'm giving it one more book to bail its butt out of the fire.