Okay, if it's Wonder Woman doing her flier/Charge bit, when does she place a carried character down? When her movement is completed.

From there, we now have to ask ourselves, "Self, when do I make the SC roll? While carrying the character, or not?" I would have to say that the SC roll is made after a carried character is placed down and the attack action is being taken. The SC roll is part of the attack sequence. Placing a carried character down is part of the movement portion.

See, I think of it as the Shape Change roll being necessary to determine if the attack is even able to be attempted in the first place, like with a KC roll. From the PAC:
The key here seems to be the wording "When this character is chosen as the target of an attack." If the character cannot be attacked, then the attack no longer has a target and is thus as invalid as if you tried to shoot a wildcard who declared the Batman Ally TA, thus making the attack impossible and forcing another action to be chosen.
I think that if Wonder Woman in the above situation charged adjacent to two characters, and her primary target rolled a successful Shape Change, there would be no doubt that she would then be able to attempt to target the other one instead, but the question of whether she is allowed to finish her movement still seems hazy to me and depends on whether the attempt to make the attack, if it is no longer a valid attempt, is enough to stop the movement. I know it's dangerous to apply comic book logic to Heroclix, but if Wonder Woman were flying by and attempted to charge an enemy, only to realize when she got closer that it was an ally (but there was another enemy she could reach just a short distance further) that she'd be able to continue along to attack them instead just as easily. It's not as though she only realizes when she's about to smash someone over the head that they're not her enemy, it keeps her from trying in the first place.

What if I pounce someone and they make their SC roll? Do I still take pushing damage from the pounce?

The RA has definitely ruled that an SC roll made during Pounce means the Pouncer must follow through with the consequences of the Pounce card, even if it can not actually make the Pounce attack.

In all fairness, it wasn't even brought up whether the Pouncer could continue moving to attempt to hit another target.

why would he be able to keep moving? he can't use his leap/climb so he would have to stop as soon as he got adjacent.

The difference is that the KC roll is made during the figures movement and has no bearing on whether a figure is permitted to attack the KC figure, only if it can move into adjacency.
But you have to consider the wording of Charge:So Charge specifies that the figure moves first then gets to make a CC Action as a free action. Now the important consideration is when does the figure target the SCer. There are no targeting requirements for movement, so the targeting must happen when the figure takes the CC Action which is after the movement has ended. For comparison look at the relevent sections of HSS and Transporter:
Since both these descriptions allow for the attack during the move (and the completion of movement after the attack) a successful SC roll against either would allow the figure to move to another target if neccessary, provided of course it had enough speed remaining. Then there is the fact that a Transporter or a figure with HSS that can't ingore hindering terrain can't make an attack if they move into hindering because it ends the movement but a figure with Charge is not so restricted because by the description of Charge, the movement ends before the attack anyway.
Also, consider this (yes its not technically SC, but Skrulls have the same type effect (much closer than KC for example);(The red quote look familiar, )Essentially, this says that whats done (namely the movement) is done, even if the rest of the action can't be completed.

To summerize, it seems to me that you're questioning things backwards; the question is not whether the SC roll can stop the figure from moving, the question is could the figure target another figure while moving to force the SC roll before its movement has ended. Based on the rules. I don't think so.

BoT

Still, you're not trying to take back the movement of the Charge, you're continuing it (as opposed to starting over from the beginning). I've got a sneaking suspicion that it would be ruled that the movement portion of the Charge was over when the SC roll is made, but it doesn't seem cut-and-dried to me.

When you throw in a carried character with the Charger into the mix, it seems pretty cut and dried to me. Since the SC roll is made for the attack, and carried characters are placed when movement is finished, logically movement has to be finished before the free cc action of Charge is carried out. There's no way in the timing for it to work otherwise.

That presumes that the SC roll is made as part of the attack. The way I read it, it's a way to determine if an attack even can be made, which doesn't presume that the carried character would have to be set down yet.

I think this is something that needs a new official ruling by the RA. In reading the arguments on both sides, I don't think there's enough basis to swing this either way.

Considering how seldom the power is used, I'm not really surprised to see that something like this would have gotten missed by the FAQ's and E&C's.

Actually, I've seen it come up a few times over the years (mostly because of characters Charging Abbey Chase in stealth), but we've always played it the same way: Declare Charge, move up to half speed value (and set down carried character, if any), declare attack, roll for Danger Girls TA, and if unsuccessful, declare an attack against another adjacent opponent (if any).

It's rarely an issue because rolling a 6 on Danger Girls is unlikely, but we still try to use Charge in such a way that there are two possible targets for the CC action.

The close combat action provided by Charge is clearly seperate from the movement, so they resolve seperately.

That's why I thought too (while following the debate), but couldn't express it correctly (damn I really need to improve my English )...

I know this is an old thread, but I figured it best to post on this instead of just forming a new thread.

From what I understand, it goes like this.

1) - Witchblade decides to charge Clayface.
2) - Witchblade moves half of her speed and bases Clayface.
3) - Clayface gets a successful shape change roll.
4) - Since Witchblade has no one else to punch, she ends her turn.

From what I understand, SC only affects the free close combat action. Since the move action has already taken place, it is impossible to take it back or to continue moving more - the move was offically over when Clayface was forced to roll ShapeChange.

Am I right with this? Is this on any FAQ anywhere? Its sometimes hard to tell people "Oh yea. Such and such is a judge on HCRealms and he said I was right". I prefer to say "Here is a print out of the FAQ on Heroclix.com and I was right."

Badges2, your sequence is exactly correct, but I'm not sure where to send you for a reference. I know Hair10 has definitely ruled that Pounce against a ShapeChanger works like Charge, so I'm sure his ruling was grounded based on a previous ruling for Charge/SC. If it's in the FAQ, it would definitely be in an entry under Shape Change. However, the notion of continuing the movement part of Charge after a successful SC roll really should be put in the FAQ just to resolve the issue.

I second your suggestion for a FAQ/E&C entry on that as its one of those misconceptions (since most of the reliable judges don't rule it that way what else could it be) that's been out there a while.

BoT