Alpha Flight turn 3

free) Shaman perplexs Diamond Lil's attack
1) Diamond lil tries to hit Blackbolt, need 8 roll=6,3 hit. BFC roll=3. 2 damage to Blackbolt.
2) Marrina moves to M-9
3) Puck moves to G-5

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) P23
R Human Torch*^(3/4) M17 @
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt^ (7/9) K15 @

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (6/6) F-11
R Aurora^ (3/5) K-7
R Puck (5/5) G-5 @
R Diamond Lil (6/6) L-14 @
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12
U Ka-Zar^ (7/7) K-8
R Marrina (5/5) M-9 @

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]

LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

Well, I'd have to say that source was about as reliable as the ones I found when I asked. A lot of players giving opinions, but no one with any real reasoning or someone like Hair10.

As I read it: Alt Fan 4 TA

Any member of this team may replace it's defense value with the defense value of any other member.

Nothing about that says it can't be modified further, down or up.

I moved Aurora to K-7 last turn so you couldn't have targeted her with Torch. So the crit miss doesn't count I guess, you can do something else with him if you want.

I'm not sure who said it, so I'm not sure if it was a reliable source, but I remember reading somewhere that Defend doesn't replace the defense until the person is targeted with an attack (like esd). So if i try to shoot torch, his defense is replaced with 18, plus an additional two from the ESD. However, if I lower his defense with perplex, this is before any attacks. So his DEF is modified by one, then I try to shoot him, his modified defense is replaced by the unmodified 18, then further increased by 2 for his ESD. Does that make any sense? So in short--perplexing torches DEF down doesn't do anything.

Yes, but all that is for the Defend power.

This ALT Fan 4 TA. Which is a complete replacement value, that doesn't say anything about "kicking in" when being attacked.

It says your defense value is replaced. Thus, it can still be modified.

oh, and I don't mind being wrong on this one, if I am, I just haven't found any conclusive evidence thus far.

Thing 1) I'm going to let the judges rule that turn while we keep playing, If anyone does come up with a ruleing on this I would like to see it, In case this happens again.

Thing 2) My mistake on the Aurora move I thought she went to K17 - I'll just chalk that up to a miss.

My turn

Alpha Flight turn 3

free) Shaman perplexs Diamond Lil's attack
1) Torch RS to I14 and targets Shaman (8vs15) roll 8 (2 damage) - Torch pushes
2) BB Targets Dimond Lil (9vs15) Roll 6 (3,3) (3 net 1 damage and KB to M13) BB Pushed (BFC = 4 - Nothing)

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) P23
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14 @@
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt^ (6/9) K15 @@

Human Torch: SA[1]
Black Bolt: SA[1]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (6/6) F-11
R Aurora^ (3/5) K-7
R Puck (5/5) G-5 @
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13 @
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12
U Ka-Zar^ (7/7) K-8
R Marrina (5/5) M-9 @

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

Alpha Flight turn 4

1) Aurora will pick up Ka-Zar and fly to L-17 dropping him at K-16.
2) Sunfire will try to hit Torch, need 11(forgot about the ESD when I rolled) roll= 2,3 miss.

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) P23
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14 @@
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt^ (6/9) K15 @@

Human Torch: SA[1]
Black Bolt: SA[1]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (6/6) F-11
R Aurora^ (3/5) K-7@
R Puck (5/5) G-5
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12@
U Ka-Zar^ (7/7) K-8
R Marrina (5/5) M-9

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

Ok, I got an answer from NormalView, as source I can trust.

He says what Mbauers said. It's not possible to perplex down the defense of someone sharing Sue's defense.

So, you'd have to perplex up your attack.

No problem, that means Shaman gets an AST right? Because Sunfire would have missed without it.

FF turn 5

1) Sue Moves to O20

the rest pull

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) O20 @
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt^ (6/9) K15

Human Torch: SA[1]
Black Bolt: SA[1]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (6/6) F-11
R Aurora^ (3/5) K-7@
R Puck (5/5) G-5
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12@
U Ka-Zar^ (7/7) K-8
R Marrina (5/5) M-9

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

That's correct

Alpha Flight turn 5

1) Marrina moves to J-14
2) Ka-Zar tries to slice BlackBolt, need 7 roll= 5,5 hit, BCF=2, BFC=6. So 2 damage after toughness and Knockback to K-13.
3) Puck moves to J-10.

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) O20 @
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt^ (6/9) K15

Human Torch: SA[1]
Black Bolt: SA[1]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (6/6) F-11
R Aurora (3/5) L-17
R Puck (5/5) J-10@
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12
U Ka-Zar (7/7) K-16@
R Marrina (5/5) J-14@

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]
Shaman: AST[1]
Ka-Zar: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

Alpha Flight turn 5

1) Black Bolt targets Marrina (8vs15) roll(3,5) 8 Hit (4 damage)
2) Human Torch targets Marrina (7vs12) roll(4,2) 6 Hit (2 damage + KO)
Free) BB Outwits Incap on Shaman

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) O20
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14 @
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt (4/9) K13 @

Human Torch: SA[2] KO[1]
Black Bolt: SA[2]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (4/6) F-11
R Aurora (3/5) L-17
R Puck (5/5) J-10@
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12
U Ka-Zar (7/7) K-16@
R Marrina KO

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]
Shaman: AST[1]
Ka-Zar: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

FF Turn 6 (I missed BFCs)

1) Black Bolt targets Marrina (8vs15) roll(3,5) 8 Hit (4 damage)
Black Bolt targets Marrina (BFC) roll 6 (1 more damage and KO
======= BB Killed Marrina with the extra damage =====
2) Human Torch targets Marrina (7vs12) roll(4,2) 6 Hit (2 damage + KO)
========== so I need a new second move =======
2) Human Torch targets Shaman (7vs14) roll(3,1) miss

Free) BB Outwits Incap on Shaman

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) O20
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14 @
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt (4/9) K13 @

Human Torch: SA[1]
Black Bolt: SA[2] KO[1]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (4/6) F-11
R Aurora (3/5) L-17
R Puck (5/5) J-10@
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12
U Ka-Zar (7/7) K-16@
R Marrina KO

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[1]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]
Shaman: AST[1]
Ka-Zar: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero

Alpha Flight turn 6

1) Aurora picks up Ka-Zar and flies to O-21 dropping him at N-20.
2) Sunfire takes a shot at Blackbolt, need 7 roll= 2,6 hit. 1 damage after invuln.
3) Shaman gets his incap back so he uses it on Blackbolt, need 7 roll=4,6 hit. Blackbolt takes 1 pushing damage.

Recap
Fantastic Four (home)

R Mr Fantastic* KO
R Invisible Girl* (5/5) O20
R Human Torch*(3/4) I14 @
Pog Franklin Richards P24
U Black Bolt (2/9) K13 @@

Human Torch: SA[2] KO[1]
Black Bolt: SA[2]
Invisible Girl: DFD[1]

* Alt FF TA 0 pts
^Hindering Terain

vs

Alpha Flight (visitor)

E Shaman^ (4/6) F-11@
R Aurora (3/5) O-21@
R Puck (5/5) J-10
R Diamond Lil (5/6) M-13
R Sunfire^ (5/6) F-12@
U Ka-Zar (7/7) N-20
R Marrina KO

Alpha Flight TA 0pts
^Hindering Terain

Aurora: SA[1] KO[1]
Sunfire: SA[2]
Diamond Lil: SA[1]
Shaman: SA [1] AST[1]
Ka-Zar: SA[1]


LO - K15, F-8, I-8
HO - M17, I13, L-8

Map: Marvel 4

http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/board.php

BFC: Ground Zero