While that sounds like a totally different situation I still think it's bad form to quit in the middle of a game/tournament. I know there are several venues I've played at that would remove someone from Fellowship consideration because of it. I'm sure your opponent didn't mind but personally I just like to see it through. If I'm playing someone and winning, I'd want to finish it out, so I afford my opponent the same courtesy. So what if your team was outclassed? It happens sometimes. No one "likes" to lose but that doesn't mean that you should pull all your players off the field simply because you don't think you have a chance to win. I realize it can be done respectfully and all but was it fair to the other players in the tournament that the person you played against got all your points and didn't have to work for at least a portion of them. What if that ended up being the difference between 1st and 2nd? That the 2nd place player's opponent decided to play it out and either kept some of his figures alive or took out a few more points before going down. I'm not saying you personally are a bad sport for doing it b/c you're right there's no hard and fast rule. I'm just saying I don't like the thought behind it (there's no way I can win so I quit) or the affect it can have on the tournament. Just my opinion...

Well, I did play through most of the game, but it was clear that his HoM Mags was going to slaughter the remnants of my team. And no, I don't think he had to work too hard against my team, which was both played badly by me and punished by poor position/map, blah blah blah, it was just a frustration that pushed beyond my tolerance.

And since you brought it up, I would never begrudge someone for pulling out of a game if I was going to trounce them. I don't want to beat someone so badly and force them to sit through said beating when they could be trading or trying to figure out how it all went so wrong for them. That's time they won't get back if I'm making them sit through a beatdown.

Sure, I passed up a chance to crit hit the rest of the game against a slew of cherry figs with my batch of losers, but why should I play through that if the kid played well and fair and was certain to get everything I gave away?

To me, I just prevented my game from wasting the time of others and made it that much easier to start the next round.

I think I'm able to determine when it is over. While I wouldn't want to be penalized at your venue(s) for my behavior and would then sit through the rest of it pushing all my figs to death with move actions, I would still prefer not to experience that added frustration on top of already losing.

I like the clownery. What can I say?

Again that's part of the game sometimes. You have to take your lumps just like you enjoy your victories. Quitting b/c you're frustrated just isn't right.

I like to play things to the end whether I'm winning or losing. I come to a tournament to play... not quit. If someone was worried about wasting their time during a match, they probably shouldn't be at a Heroclix tournament. You know going in how long it's going to last, so you've already allotted the time to play.

B/c that's the game. You finish what you start. So what if your team is horrible? I've played sealed/battle royals where I knew from the getgo that my team had no chance. That doesn't mean I dropped out of every round b/c to me that defeats the point of showing up to play in the first place. I'm there to play the game whether it means I'm winning or losing. It's easy to keep playing and enjoy yourself when you're winning. It's much harder to hang in there during a tough match and take your beating like a man... but you can learn from both situations.

Were you the only two playing still? Again, I don't see how you can possibly be wasting anyone's time when they know going in that each round is 50 minutes long. Regardless of whether their game goes 50 minutes or not, they've dedicated that time slot to the game.

This is probably the paragraph I have the biggest problem with. Do you really think pushing your figures to death with move actions is how the game should be played? What happened to going out w/ a bang? If you're going to push yourself to death why not attack? Honestly, the only players I've ever seen push themselves to death by moving around in a game they were losing were little kids. I definitely think that's bad form and I wouldn't want to play someone who was doing that b/c it's just stupid.

I realize it can be frustrating to lose but it's just a game. You can't win all the time. Losing is a part just as much as winning and not being able to handle losing isn't good if you want to play this game... especially given that so much of it is random. I've sat through games that I could have won had I just rolled decently (not well, just average) and watched my team miss attack after attack. Frustrating yeah... but that's the nature of the game. I learned a long time ago to not let losing get to me too much.

I have to close by saying, wouldn't you agree that a person who wants to finish the game when he's winning while quitting when it's clear he's going to lose is pretty much the definition of a bad sport?

As it turns out, I would not agree with most of what you said.

I'm not sure what how manhood has anything to do with losing, and I'm sure my girlfriend who plays would question it as well.

It's not like I take my pieces, go home, and stop anyone else from playing. I just accept defeat without going through the motions. I like the game for the drama and excitement, and I think most people would agree with that, when that's sucked out of it, then it's hard to play, whether I'm winning or losing.

The game should be fun, as soon as it isn't, then why am I playing it? Oh right... something about manhood or sportsmanship?

I think I'm a really good sport when I play, by the way. I help my opponents out and encourage careful play out of everyone I am playing (especially younger guys) and I'm there telling jokes and having fun with the people around me, because the whole gathering is a great big nerd-out.

It just sounds like you nerd differently than I do.

But let's be honest here.

If I put rat poisioning in your food and bleach in your milk, you can't die twice.

I completely agree with the original poster.

Oh carp. My bad. I want no part of poisoning little kids...

No, but you could certainly end up very ill from it twice.

I could see it being clarified that all poison happens at once and any character can only take one poison damage per turn.

At the same time, it's only because Poison is being abused, since generally it's at the right effectiveness level to be useful without being absurd.

On the other hand of my other hand, getting gassed and burned hurts in two different ways...

Anyone know if the I (heart) LAMP shirts are selling well to Clix players?

Ugh... way to take six words of what I said and focus on it over everything else. First off I didn't say anything about your "manhood" and I don't care whether you have a girlfriend or what she would say about it. That's irrelevant. I'm not trying to turn this into a pissing contest. I just said you should take your beating like a man. It's a figure of speech. It was by no means the entire point of my post (despite your attempts to make it sound that way).

Yes you're there to have fun but my point is you can't just quit any time a game doesn't go your way. Losing in general is not a "fun" concept but unfortunately in official tournaments someone has to lose. It has nothing to do with "being a nerd" or anything like that. It's just the whole sportsmanship thing. If you quit every time you think you're beaten then you're not a good sport. Basically your entire point is "I don't have fun when I'm losing so I quit" and to me that just seems wrong.

Just out of curiousity how many games have you quit when you were winning really big? I don't mean how many times has your opponent said "I'm going to quit b/c I can't win". I'm asking how many times you've been beating up on your opponent pretty good and b/c it's so boring, instead of "going through the motions" you say "Hey you know what 'the drama and excitement has been sucked out of this game', let's quit?"

While it is annoying to face a lamp team, with a KC GL team, you should probably have been able to beat him. Now, keeping in mind I don't know what the other guy was using, but you have a couple of things working in your favor. First and foremost, KC GL is a flyer. A good starting tactic would be to place him in soaring at the start of the game, and assuming either he doesn't have an outwitter, or you've played fortitude on GL, they can't bring you out of soaring.

Now that GL is relatively safe, you can hopefully get the rest of your team into position. If he's using 3 LAMPS, and GL starts the game in soaring, they know the won't be able to come up and base him at the start, so the rest of your team should be able to handle them. The rest of your team may have to break away to get out, but at the least your big gun has a chance to get out of there.

Anyway, I know it sucks to get beaten badly by an all too familiar tactic, but I don't think it warrants a rules change necessarily. I see your argument that if you are poisoned, you are poisoned, as per DS's example. But still, if someone hits you with different kinds of poisons, its probably only going to speed up the dying process. As such, taking multiple poison damage would make sense.

I had KC GL, V Executioner, E Dr. Midnight, V Shiar, LE Antman. I forfeight because i was taking like 4 poison a turn and couldn't get away, i was corned and was surrounded by.... 6 or 7 LAMP Batteries... i had no chance to win

Personally, I like it when all of my figures have a certain amount of Poise or even penache if you will. This way if I lose the tournament at least my Mockinbird has a shot at Ms. Congeniality.

So basically you had a team built around high defenses and you ran into the perfect team to counter that so you quit? I'm curious as to how there were 6 or 7 LAMP teams even on the board in a 500 point game, let alone how they positioned them so that they could poison all your figures.