Great Review Ol Dut, always good reading.

I like the Vet but I have to go for the 211 pt LE. I feel he is much more playable for the points and I like the diversity of his dial. I agree no move an attack on the 1st click can suck, but phasing can be very helpful.

And the LE won't cost almost 300 after putting a couple of feats on him.


Sorry Malakim2099 you won't be able to put Force Field on Norrin he has damage reducers on his dial so it doesn't meet the prerequisites. just thought I'd give you a heads up. It's no big deal just slap Shell Head on him.

Pychic Blast also gives me pause before claiming the Vet the Champ.

Shellhead and Protected on Norrin still comes in 36 points cheaper than the Vet and assures Norrin gets to play most of the game on his best click.

I can see using both because of the point cost differences.

I'd also like to try a Norrin/Thanos team, throwing in Adam Warlock for flavor. It'd be an expensive game though.

Power Cosmic or not, I'd sooner play the Experienced Surfer than either the Vet or Norrin Radd.

Mostly because I don't have a Vet or LE...but still.

When I asked Norrin Radd and Mr. Spicoli about the writer of this article, they replied "ol_Dut? That guy's a ### !"

Hilarious review, you've really gotten great at writing these. My favorite piece on HCRealms.

A gnarly pounder indeed.......

I agree that for the points the Veteran is superior on pretty much all fronts. However, the vast point divide between the two pieces amkes a comparison almost moot.

If I really want to play a Surfer and the team build is 500pts or less I would choose Norin. It allows for theme team building better than the Vet. Over 500pt for a theme I'm going with the Veteran.

All hail the rook!

Fine. But my point remains that he's way cheaper.

Which you can't use on his ES/D clicks. Besides, someone beat you to it. Hah!

And my point wasn't even the toughness... it's the fact that even with all of those feats, Norrin Radd is STILL cheaper than Vet Surfer. Don't get me wrong, I like the Vet, but with the amount of fun I can have with those 50+ extra points... mmmmm, gnarly dude!

Nice write up Dutman. LE Norrin is one fig I would often keep in soaring so he doesn't get punked up close on those ES/D clicks.

I totally agree, dude!
Radical!

Let's hit the Fatburger!

Me too. Only I'd mod me a Fallen One and put on his dial Now where can I get me a Norrin?

Another hard review, that was well done, IMO. I agree with many of the sentiments, and I like each of the Seth 'J-Dog' Surfers, but...

Those mid-dial clicks of support really hurt any appreciation I might have for Norrin Radd. I can see them maybe getting some play in high-point scenarios, but how likely is it that Norrin Radd will be on support clicks, while another figure (worth healing, considering the 200+ point investment in LE Surfer) will also be in need of healing? Almost any other power (short of Leadership) would have been welcome in place of the support, IMO....or just drop it and give me the extra points for Auto-Regen!

(The most obvious case would be in a scenario versus Galactus, but even so, it seems unlikely)

But Surfer has the power to heal.
I see your point, but, also, I see my point.

He has Power Cosmic. So, concievably he could heal an important support figure (Barrier? Perplexer? Outwitter?), and then the very next turn come out blasting.

It's the Energy Shield I'm not crazy about. Maybe it's just me, but somebody always seems to be TKing a Wolverine at me when I get to my ES/D clicks...

I don't see the logic in using the Vet over the LE. Not only can you put repulsor sheild and other cards and still be cheaper than the vet, but the vet actually costs more if you were to play him. Who seriously isn't going to put feats on the vet easily making him cost close to 300 or more--a show of hands please.............I didn't think so. I see some people fail to realize that there are more options for Norrin. ESD is perfect especially doubled with someone with share defense- making even Thanos shiver. If you see healing it's not like you HAVE to use it. He has Running shot AND psychic blast with healing!! If you don't need to heal you could get in position after a pyschic blast and then heal next turn if you'd like or do another psychic blast. (Which is a very nasty power in which most characters don't utilize well yet). People may use Fortitude, but rarely will they slap on Repulsor.

A Surfer with repulsor and cannot be outwitted is a dream come true and Norrin will easily beat his overpriced counterpart. (265 and starting with a 10 attack? C'mon). Give this Surfer more credit is all I ask because although he ain't as cool as the rook, he definetly is better than the experienced!!