actually harp

my arguement would not be with strange or lex's power but with the feat itself.

Brilliant Tactician
Prerequisites: Outwit and Perplex

Choose a character.

Outwit does not need to show in the character's stat slot in order for the character to use this feat.

When the character uses Perplex, the character can affect every target friendly character that shares a team symbol or keyword with it. The character must have a clear line of fire to each target.

i read it as you use it. one use.....
it then affects everyone in your range whom you have LoF to, but if it was ruled the otherway by the all mighty WKs OOOOooooOOOooOoOOooooOOOoo ......then i am not inclined to argue.

and for those english junkies out there, Uses is not plural, it is merely stating the future tense.

See, yeah, that's what I was saying the whole time. One use, one roll.

Oh, be inclined to argue. If something doesn't stand to reason then it's obviously faulty regardless of who says or doesn't say it.

One roll for Dr. Strange and Brilliant Tactician is what makes sense. The reason being that both Wand of Watoomb and Briliant Tactician say, "When [the character] uses Perplex". The character only uses it one time regardless of how many characters are affected so it should be one roll.

One roll per character for Lex Luthor and Brilliant Tactician is what makes sense. The reason being that while Brilliant Tactician says, "When the character uses Perplex", Lex Luthor's Everything Has a Price says, "When he modifies the combat value of a target friendly character". When Lex Luthor uses Brilliant Tactician, that part of Everything Has a Price would trigger for each combat value he modifies.

yeah its just usually when i argue people get angry and say don't blame them for me not understanding their ruling.

I was just being polite

It might have something to do with the way you argue.

i just wanna see if im wrong or not, but shouldnt someone with 2 lightning bolts be able to perplex 2 people and outwit 2 people? it makes sense to me...

No. The number of bolts indicates the number of characters a character can target for a ranged attack. Outwit and Perplex are not ranged attacks so the number of bolts do not apply to them.

aww, they should...

I really don't think Perplex and Outwit need anymore help after the massive boost they got from the Fantastic Four rules.

the biggest boost of the new rules is the tk rules and giant rules, that tk rule is sick... I HATE BLADES/CLAWS/FANGS!!!

This was answered today by nbperp
http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showth...20#post1652620

Dr. Strange’s Wand of Watoomb is clarified that if Brilliant Tactician is used, the roll must be made for each target character. This is something that probably can/should become a more generalized rule and it might change to that before publicat

I'm going to borrow this for a my post ok? Seriously, you can have it back after this thread dies. Thanx.


This is really something that needs to get changed pretty soon. I like the BT card, I use it a lot in my higher point games. It's hard enough to remember which figure gets what perplexed. Now my opponent & I need to remember which charcter gets a modifier of 1 or of 2? That just takes the game to a whole new stall level.

Trust me, 1,200pt Mystic theme team with 19 figures shows how ridiculous that ruling is. Which is what I played, and had first mentioned playing when Dr. Strange was initially previewed.

I understand the ruling has been made, and that WK's play-tests every ruling/figure/card/map and game mechanic against the point formula so there's everything play's fair & easy. But I had to pull out five different colored poker chips with a 1 on one side and a 2 on the other. The color denoted the stat being modified & the number is what Strange rolled for each Figure.

I already had to think if I wanted a certain figure to attack or not each round, and depending on how the previous attacks went that can change from action to action. One of the disadvantages to BT is that all the Perplex happens at once, which is fine.

While I understand the ruling, I disagree with it as nperp most likely never play-tested this in an actual game with a good number of figures before making the ruling. If you'd like, nperp, I'll PM you my team. You can then play it in a few games and then let me know if your ruling on that is still a good one.

Based on the wording of Wand of Watoomb and Brilliant Tactician, the ruling really doesn't make sense. The roll happens when he uses Perplex. Regardless of how many characters he affects, he only uses Perplex one time.

Um, you do realize that the giants did not get a rules "boost" right?

Their rules changed, yes, but they changed for the worse.

The ability to carry a figure is insignificant when they lost the ability to tie people up from two squares away and lost all of their adjacency stuff. My grounded giant immediately next to your elevated Green Arrow will not prevent him from making ranged attacks, for example.

Borrow away

Couldnt you have just gotten a piece of paper and written it down?