I see no problem with that.

Well, Michael IS Booster. It's not a what if/elseworlds thing. It's not Batman in Booster's costume. I mean really. This is only like comics 103 knowledge here. Sheesh!

The point is that if you sit across from me at Worlds with Michael I will inform you that the rules don't let you use BWA HA HA. However, any other time I'm gonna be fine with it. You know...because it's a game with plastic super heroes.

I do understand the need for solid rules and whatnot.

Reddragon - If you have a judge or fellow player who is not letting you use Michael Carter in this way, then feel free to come play with me. I could give a rip. The point is you are awesome for playing Blue and Gold!

Now my head hurts...

I'm on both sides of this issue. In a tournament, follow rules of the house, in a home or friendly game do as you wish.

Why are the rules as stated (and obviously so) so difficult?

What if I house rule that, since Batman has more than likely disguised himself as (name of character from DC universe), any figure I use is actually Batman in disguise and I get to use any keywords from any Batman?

And, since Batman is obviously Batman, he can automatically use the Batman TA, the JLA TA and the Outsiders TA

ENOUGH!!! i for one agree with harpa. if you make up your own rules are you really playing heroclix? or just playing with little plastic figures over erica carmen's birthday party. WHAT, EVER , WHAT EVER I DO WHAT I WANT. now that sound stupid.

I agree with Harpua on this one as well.

At some of the venues that I've played at that allows 'house rules', the house rules usually favor the judge, his cronies, and their style of play. So an outsider that doesn't share their style of play usually gets shafted by these said 'house rules.

Craig-O, some of these house rules I speak of have been at venues that you and I have both played at over the years.

What really pissed me off is when I went to a sanctioned by WizKids tourney at some venue, and they decided to use some version of their house rules and didn't feel they needed to follow the guidelines in the Tournament Rules that WizKids released. Then the judge and his cronies would build their teams to compliment their house rules, and they would sweep the tourney, split the prizes amongst themselves, and then brag about how good they were at the game. LOL!

So, yeah, I totally concur with Harpua on this one. It is a very slippery slope indeed, and I have found out over the years in competitive game of any sorts, but especially HeroClix, there seems to be a LOT of very unscrupulous players.

One more thing I'll add on the subject is that I think using house rules can be a huge disservice to the local play group.

Let's face it, a huge chunk of the population of players do not read the actual rules for themselves and depend on a judge to spoonfeed the rules to them.

In turn, the players don't know what is real and what is a house rule.

I'm sure that nearly all of us have been to a venue and seen a person argue a ruling with "that's how we play it at our venue." Frequently this can be attributed to a misinformed judge, but just as frequently I'm certain that it is a house rule of some sort which the player believes to be the real rule. Heck, even if the guy did know the true rule at one point, it isn't to hard to forget it when you play it differently all of the time.

I've got no problem at all with house rules when they are done properly. This includes not only posting these rules, but also making sure that all of those playing under the rule know that it is not the real deal. Seldom does that happen.

I always thought the whole "character's real name on the LE version" thing was stupid in the first place. This just reinforces that opinion.

I have no problem with playing a tournament straight. After all, I started out as a judge because I wanted a place to play without house rules. It certainly is a slippery slope. However, overly obsessing about the 'rules' can be as well.

I just know that the Booster LE should count and it was simply a lacking on the BWA-HA-HA special power. Also, I love to argue.

My main point here is that the rules don't allow Michael Carter LE to be used with Beetle's special power. However, if I was at any tournament other than Worlds and you played him in that way, I wouldn't care. Why would I have a problem with a player doing something so awesome as playing those two together? Who cares what the rules say?

Well the way I see it is that what is in the past is in the past.

In the future, such things can be avoided easily now.

See LE Esme Cuckoo, for example. She has a trait to say that she counts as a Cuckoo for the powers keying off of being a Cuckoo. (That said, unfortunately the trait specifies the powers rather than saying "She counts as a Cuckoo for purposes of game effects based on being a Cuckoo." If the Cuckoos get remade with new Cuckoo powers, Esme will be out of luck.)

In other words, had Carter been made AFTER traits, he most likely would have been given a trait to have him count for Bwa-Ha-Ha.

we usally only used 1 house, except during the official weeks of Si Crisis & Av. and that was THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE. which i wish that the new owners make official. harpu what do you think should this a official rule? yes or no and please explain why you think on which side that you do fall.

I don't think it should be a rule.

The general argument I hear in favor of it is that you never would have two Drunky-Mans at the same time.

The next logical step would then be back to no DC-Marvel crossovers.

That isn't to mention that it simply can't be done without extensive comic knowledge.

Anything requiring knowledge of comics should not be a rule.

Back before WK took its year-long dirtnap, I used to have a private link to the WK rules forum called "HOUSE RULES MAKE YOU WEAK." And although I do like the "highlander restriction for non-generics" house rule my venue used to hold, I still hold to that opinion.

Hmm...so you understand what the rules say, but think that slight adjustments should be allowed because you think it's cool. And if I have it wrong, then please correct me. Not everyone agrees that Blue and Gold are cool (I know, hang those bastiches right?), and you say that if someone with differing opinions doesn't allow it then its ok also, which is cool. But I have an issue with making house rules because something is cool or 'would logically work that way'. How can I have a figure facing each side of the Meteorite and still not see Batman with at least one of them? So logically, I should be able to make at least one, if not two ranged combat attacks against him right? So we should house rule that. How does Ben Grimm LE (SI) make every F4 around him physically tougher? House rule his trait away. Superman and Batman (not World's Finest fig) have such great team-work that you should be able to make them each take an action but have those two actions only count as one against your action total. And they're cool!

I'm not so much talking about house rules here. I am talking about being more loosey-goosey in playing Heroclix. Not taking it so seriously.

You are welcome to take it very seriously and that is fine. I have more fun just rolling the dice and caring less about my W/L record at the end of the night.

Not saying I'm right and you are wrong. Just a difference of opinion.

Also, Blue and Gold is cool.


Edit - you might be reading too much into what I'm saying. I'm only talking about an LE that looks just like the named figure. I'm also talking about what I would do if my opponent played it. I'm not trying to change the game for anyone here.