Other than Outwit and penetrating damage, it's very hard to deal with them. But the defense SP really hurts them, as when they suffer a big hit, they'll HAVE TO move up close, losing a turn of retaliation. And that's never good. If only they had Charge with that... Gave dial a 5 for the pure concept of it, though Might & Mischief could have been better designed.

Awsome Fig But More Points Than The #100 Crisis Chase Superman With The No Carry 10 Space Charge and no Pushing Damage.
But Still Scary Good one of My Top 10 Figs.

He has the Avengers AND Mystics team abilities.

i was playing in a tournament in the final rounf the kid i was playing was using a regular HoT thor and thor and loki i had thor the reigning and mc'd TaL and on shotted thor and i got a massive erection

The only HoT piece that I bought after never pulling them (instead I have 4 Seths... oh the excitement....), but very worth it. Aside from obvious strengths and weaknesses, these two work great with other Asgardians, either as leaders to Warriors and Valkyries with Gharskygt as a lieutenant or as a Brilliant Tactician for Asgardians; also work well with swarms and Malekith for TK and MC and with heavy hitters (W3, Beta Ray Bill, Balder or Kurse) - BT their Damage, have Gharskygt take care of the attack, have Malekith TK them and have them go to town, there's just so many nice options. Very feat friendly and aside from high cost, very playable. Even as a duo, they are still very good, probably the best of the ones we got so far. Unoutwittable Invulnerability give them longer life and Shape Change offers some additional protection (on top of it, Camouflage is another good option). Only hampered by the Battle Fury (and EW, which kind of defeats the purpose of having two regular attacks, Super Strength and 10 Range - I really hope they change the duo attacks to being able to take two ACTIONS one day) and high cost, but obviously designed for 400 points matches (10% of feats, here we come) and above. Really, a major thank you to the people who designed the HoT figures with synergies in mind.

This figure is a beast, and rightly so for the cost. Just the starting click is fantastic with high speed/range/attack/damage, Running Shot, and Perplex. Super Strength is good to cover up close, and the Duo attack can really bring the pain (11 Damage with Perplex. Really.) Thunderbolts makes them infinitely more awesome, and Mystics is Icing. Defensively they have the equivalent of Impervious for more than half the dial, and they always ALWAYS have Invuln. The only weaknesses that Thor and Loki have are the mid-dial Battle Fury and the over 300 cost that prevents them from being played often enough. Fortitude isn't as necessary as it is on most other tentpoles (which is good, since they don't qualify) Because Invuln can't be outwitted. Go Thor and Loki!

This figure mopped the floor with my Hypertime KC Superman. Extremely underrated. It has invulnerability all throughout the dial, and can easily be VERY abused with Thunderbolts. The fella I played against used the mystics team ability of Loki, and then Thunderbolted the Avengers team ability of Thor to another form of Mystics (Arachnid). Basically that way anytime you hit him, you'd take 2 clix of damage. That along with running shot, for two attacks I might add, led to me getting my butt handed to me. For the point cost I can't see any figure going toe to toe with this one, as the duo attack ability makes this fig gnarly, and the damage/ attack value, range, indomitable, just make this fig a total monster.

I don't get the low scores from the other guys. This fig can easily take out anyone on the board. Unfortunately i'm not a big fan of Loki's and just can't bring myself to buy/try to find this piece.

This piece is nuts! I beat the holy #### out of Thor's Chariot with it! Even in a big game vs Fin Fang Foom it did a lot damage before it whet down. The only problem I had was against KC superman. Its a very high point cost to play him but worth it for a one man army or two man army.:ermm: But put Valkyrie with Thor and Loki for a nice 400 point team.

i played this piece with camouflage,thunderbolts (to arachnos), damage shield and armor piercing and i won the tournament. my opponents can't range me because of camo and therefore forced to make close combat actions/attacks against thorki, taking 3 feedback damage if the attack hits.(mystics, arachnos and DS/AP). Most hypersonic characters will loose hypersonic after taking 3 damge which makes them stay beside thorki for retaliation.

Best piece in HoT. (and the new cheese!)

So, no one thought to Outwit Shape Change and then shoot you? Or did you run Outsmart on Thor/Loki?

I agree - looks like the new cheese - played in a 600 pt tourney on Sat

My Team -
Hyper time Supes (238) Fort
Kang (87)
Dawnstar x2 (60 @)
Batman - Beyond (64)

Johnny Alpha (41)

I should have added 25 points in feats - but didn't

His team
Asgardian Warrior &3
Valkrie x2
Thor/Loki
Thunder bolted to Batman (so as not to be cheesy)
Damage Shield
Armor Piercing
Camouflaged
Side Step
And a couple other feats (53 points total)

I mispositioned so thor Loki got first hit on Supes.

Thought it was mainly over as I would be taking 2 damage per hit, and only had 3 figures that could dish out damage to thor loki and 2 of those would be doing 1-2 points of damage while taking 2.

basically came down to lucking out - Thor loki was initially position away from a wall (only way to hit Supes) so I hit back - then moved up a dawnstar to block LOS to supes - thor loki hit dawnstar - and sidestepped but could not land next to supes to hit Kang - knocking him down to PC

Figures cleared - supes charged and hit thor loki (failed shape changes) twice - thor loki took out Supes then Bats charged up and took out Thor.

At that point I had only a Dawnstar, Kang and Johnny Alpha against the rest of his team - kept moving and repositioning my figs - when the game ended Kang had 2 clicks left and Dawnstar was down to one or 2 clicks.

Really close. - I do not like thor loki - at least no-one brought galactus.

i think the ultimate cheese would be to give him Fantastic 4 TA with a bunch of Fantastic 4 bystanders.

Why go F4, when you can go Suicide Squad...

Golden Age Thor/Loki: Bow Down to the Omnipotent Duo.

Modern Age Thor/Loki: We're screwed.

Last tounament I was in I gave Thor/Loki the thunderbolts feat and chose Masters of Evil!!!! I also gave them Camoflage and Side step. Also played with two Valkeries and pawned everyone in the tounament withing the first 4 rounds. Masters of evil+healers=auto win!!!!!!!