This isn't exactly what I meant. In the case of Haymaker, I think there is a legitimate question to be asked to the designers. Given that at the time it was created there were no other attack icons, was the intent of the card to cause a -1 to all attack values or was the intent forward thinking and planning to not give the penalty to any new attack icons that were created. If the answer is "the intent was single fist only" then fine, leave it alone and don't gripe that a new mechanic is strong under the existing rules.

But if the intent was for there to be a -1 to the attack value in all cases, and they utilized the fist icon because at the time, that's all there was, then I think the company should be responsible and issue a statement to that effect. They still don't need to support the card in any restricted event, but to allow players to use the card to the best of its intent, they totally should.

you can always remake it kind of like pounce

No argument. But there are some feats that I don't think there is any plan to re-release. But they should still be supported with current wording (imo).

I hope T-Bolt gets a new feat, maybe not like the old one where you get to choose a TA but an ATA for keyword Thunderbolts. This way no more headache over the old T-bolt card.

But if you really think about it, only Ultron can abuse Nova Blast, and only Super Man Prime, Power Man & Iron Fist, Elektra, and Chase Super Man can abuse haymaker..so that's 5 guys who abuse a feat compare to the 3,000 that were made lol

Any character using the Endurance feat can exploit these loopholes.

That is almost every single character

Yeah, but with Endurance, your still risking damage, so for people who don't want to gamble it, just stick with figures with indom lol

Not necessarily. Nova Blast for example, is a one shot feat and after you use NB, soak off the damage with Endurance, just have a friendly Thwart character turn Endurance off.

Sure, you won't be able to use it again without potentially taking the damage, but for a feat like Nova Blast? Why not?

This won't work.

Thor and Loki do not meet the prerequisite for Shake-Off.

They need to meet that prerequisite at build time. You can't use the Pym Particles feat to meet it.

I'm not complaining about using double mystics damage on Thor/Loki, in fact, I'm in support of it. I used the Jarvis argument with my local judge, and he pretty much told me I was full of it. I wasn't even arguing on behalf of my own team!

This, to me, seems very similar to the issue with Shellhead. I would love this card to be reprinted but able to be used with Indomitable characters.

actually there are more.

for nova blast
ultron
thor, the reigning
magus
victor von doom si

for haymaker
trait
E-2 superman #100 -1 attack, but no pushing damage

& no -1 attack or pushing damage
thor/ loki
thor's mighty chariot
pm & if

-1 attack, but no pushing damage
Hammer of Thor
016 Thor
036 Heimdall
049 Ultron
056 Surtur
100 Thor, Frog of Thunder
105 Thor, the Reigning

Secret Invasion
008a Ms Marvel
008b Ms Marvel
016 Hercules
040 Doom
048a Elektra
048b Elektra
050 Magus
114 Benjamin J. Grimm
115 Victor Von Doom

DC
Arkham Asylum
010 Gorilla Grodd
012 Amanda Waller
018 Solomon Grundy
020 Anarky
023 Wonder Woman
040 Doctor Destiny
041 Frankenstein
047 Ultra-Humanite
055 Sabbac
059 The Joker
060 Superman Prime
099 Batman

no -1 to attack, but still takes pushing damage
Hammer of Thor
058 Gertrude Yorkes & Old Lace

Secret Invasion
039 Cloak and Dagger

Mutations and Monsters
040 Devil Dinosaur and Moon Boy

Avengers
060 Cap and Bucky

DC
Crisis
025 Jack and Ten
027 Trickster and Pied Piper
032 Hawk and Dove
034 Lead and Tin
049 Will Magnus and Platinum
051 King and Queen
058 Nightwing and Starfire
061 World's Finest

Justice League
038 Batman and Robin
053 Big Barda & Mr. Miracle

The only reason I can think of for a judge to rule that way is that he's ruling based on what he thinks ought to be allowed instead of what the rules say.

Well, our venue has unanimously decided that the wording "X pushing damage that ignores Willpower and team abilities" on old feats is read as "X unpreventable damage"

That way all the old feats are balanced again, and I do hope WizNeca make that an official errata on all old feats where that sentence is used.

With the P'n'P ruling, there would be very easy to update all old feats to make them up to date with the modern rules.

Again that is not alot compare to "every" click made