I think you guys aren't stating the obvious advantage of KC Supes. He can go up and whack someone for 14 damage, plus he can do knockback damage too, which would essentially KO ANY fig.

I mean E2 Supes cannot do that. Sure he has a form of willpower, and high damage, but he's nowhere near as deadly on his first click.

You won't need willpower if you kill someone outright.

the thing about kc is his team ability. that gives you a chance to not get based. if this happens, e-2 is a goner! most ppl fail imperv rolls so you can't always count on that.i personally think kc is a better supes because of point value and damage output. e-2 is no sltch, but he's too many points and will get pick off and swarmed.

i based him with ppl who had SS(which i make alot) and he was stuck swinging at air! i personally think prime can take either one in a one on one. to answer the OP, i think kc all day. e-2 is a point and shoot type of figure. the hypertime TA just gives KC that slight advantage at avoiding the first strike, and i like chance!!

I own both, and I have to say I use E-2 a lot more. I pull out KC when I expect to be facing a colossal, because hey, I need all the help I can get, but E-2 is better for when you're running a high-point team. KC is just a one trick pony. A devastating pony, but he still only has one trick ...

I don't think I'd call him a one trick pony. He starts with flury 2 objects make the other opponent cry goodness. Then get's HSS. Plus he's got a 10 range.

I stlil prefer my E2 because I like the figure.

You're exactly wrong on this. E-2 Superman is essentially Pre-Crisis Superman and, as such, as much more powerful than KC Supes as KC is than post-Crisis Earth Superman. They got it right.

E2 Supes wasn't that strong in Infinite Crisis which is who I thought this figure was supposed to be.

I think he was referring to Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Isn't that supposed to be the same Superman who came back in Infinite Crisis? Pre-Crisis Superman could move planets, but the E2 Superman who showed up in Infinite Crisis was much weaker than that.

huh, guess I'm wrong...sorry

I played in a 400 point tournament this weekend where my KC Supes faced off against an E-2 Superman.

My team
KC Superman
+ Alias
+ Protected
Oots Batman
+ Alias
Zatanna

Justice League Theme

Opponents team
E-2 Superman
+ Fortitude
+ Shellhead
Icons Starter Batman

No theme

Bfc in play was my Legendary Day as I had theme cancelled his Ordinary Day. Map was dawn of time without any time zones.

I went first, KC Superman carried batman and grabbed the meteorite as well. Zatanna also flew up. I decided to go with a meteor instead of 2 objects because I HAD to break his impervious.

He has his superman carry batman down. I had made sure I could not be in his range.

My batman jumps to hindering Kc and Zat clear.

His Batman jumps on an object outwits kc's move and attack. E-2 takes a ranged shot at batman who fails his alias roll and misses.

My batman breaks the object his batman is on. Zatanna pops batman for 2 and takes away the outwit. KC moves and bases E-2.

E-2 tries a free action attack. I successfully rolled alias and his attack failed. E-2 clears.

KC pushes thanks to legendary day first attack hits and I roll max damage on the meteor 8 clicks. Follow up attack Ko's E-2. Batman soon followed.

Lol! We had this discussion at length last week. I'm still confused.

No, he wasn't. He kicked Superman around with relative ease and only fell to Prime because he was weakened by red sun radiation.

EDIT: Interesting battle report. KC's extra support, BFC and choice of feats made the difference. E-2 choice of feats was his undoing, IMO. Against that team, Protected > Shellhead.

I'd also have tried to go after KC with range attacks rather than Batman. (But then, who expects to miss a 5 roll?)

Really? Beacuse I recall the issue where after Earth 2 Lois dies, Earth 1 Superman travels to Earth 2 when he hears Earth 2 Superman scream and the two start to fight. They then proceed to trade blows while seeing bits and pieces of the other's past. Neither one seemed to have an edge over the other and both Superman were standing their ground until the fight was broken up by Wonder Woman. I would have to read the issue again, but I am almost certain that was the way the fight went down. If Earth 2 Superman was supposed to be pre-Crisis Superman, then he sure didn't show it and that was the basis for my argument with the clix. If the Earth 2 Superman figure is the old pre-Crisis Superman, then I can see why it is so strong, but if it is based on the Earth 2 Superman from Infinite Crisis, then that is why I was questioning it. The Earth 2 Superman in Infinite Crisis did not appear to be that strong or as strong as Kingdom Come Superman.

Earth 1 Supes was definitely headed towards the losing end of that fight.

So basically, it was nothing you did that won the match, it was because of an object. How fun..................