No contradiction despite there being no actual rule. Its a long standing tradition that target declaration for an action involving a Ranged Combat Attack occurs during the action declaration.

With RS and HSS the Ranged Combat Attack happens later as stated (and to a certain degree is optional).

Thus RS and HSS have the downside that your opponent can respond by wildcarding to Bat TA, but have the upside that you can switch targets after they choose all their wildcard TAs. (because you didnt actually declare a target yet)

Okay, no big surprise, but I'm confused again. When does the Wild Card declare his team ability.

For instance, in a recent game, a DC Wild Card character declared Batman Ally while on defense to hide in hindering. He came out of hindering to attack my Fenris. He missed so Fenris rolled a successful BCF attack and took a size 5 bite out of him.

He then said, "I'm declaring Mystics!" I said, "BS, Bubba! You last declared Batman Ally so you could hide under a table and did not change it when you came over here to play with my dog!" The judge sided with me and Fenris enjoyed a hearty meal!

So, when does the Wild Card character have to announce the ability they are taking? Certainly not after I've already rolled?

Got it. It wasn't clear to me that Harpua wasn't referring to Running Shot.

I have been doing this for some time now in preparation for the change, its a good practice.

When an action is declared.

Mad rep for this. 500+ posts and I hadn't been able to figure this out. <hangs head in shame>

I've been quoting one, copying the text, clicking back on my browser, quoting the second post, then pasting the text from the first quote in ... lol

technically the way it happened was incorrect. he was ok to declare mystics but he needed to do it as soon as you declared that you were making the attack but before your roll. once you roll for the attack its too late to declare what your copying and it will stay what was there before.

Apologies for the thread necromancy, but I wanted to ask if this works the same way with powers such as Flurry and Connor Hawke's and Roy Harper's Fusillade power, which permit multiple target choices upon declaration of the power action.

Would wild-carding defenders have to commit to a team ability before actual target choice where Flurry and Fusillade are concerned?

Fusillade, yes.
Flurry, no.
The targets are not declared until the free actions.
Declaring the close combat action includes declaring the target of that action.
Fusillade, yes.
Flurry, no.

What happens if this makes the action illegal?

What would become illegal? No targets have been declared.

I'd see it as no different than if the second attack were to become unable to be made as a result of the first.

I assume this can also be done when a character uses Mind Control. (A power action that allows a ranged or close combat attack as a free action.) There are 4 opposing wild cards (all in hindering terrain) within range and LOF who are not copying any team ability. There are no adjacent opposing characters and no other opposing characters within range and LOF. I declare I'm going to use Mind Control. The wild cards all declare they are copying Batman Ally team ability. The Mind Control character now has no targets, gets a token, and the action ends.

Correct?

That's how I'd see it under these new WC rules.

i would say by the wording of WC TA that it would make the mind control illegal and thus they could not copy it and you would have a clear shot. I'm not sure why the mind controller would receive a token if he/she cant do anything though?

on a side note, i have a question regarding MindControl and WC's.

let's say i mind control batman and as he is under my control, i take aim at one of my opponent's wild cards. if bats is the only fig on their force with the BAT TA, would they be able to copy it for that turn while im using bats for the free action part of mind control? i'm thinking no, simply because for that action he is friendly to me so they wouldn't be able to copy it. just thought i'd ask this now before someone else does.

^^^These 2 contradict each other vvvvv



He was speaking about RS, he specifically said it was #2 in re: the question about how to declare a Running Shot power action.