Right...I see it as similar to how you can counter something you possess because of a trait.

You can't counter Batman & Green Arrow's trait, but you can counter the Sharpshooter ability that it gives.

Awk! I was already on Harpua's list and now I'm on yours! WOE IS ME!

Actually, Suttkus is me, but...

Heh...well, you should have told me so then!

And I'm not sure if I meant affected or effected. Its always foggy when I use the two and it only really matters when its used in writing because phonetically, they sound similar enough that its possible to hear one and mistake it for the other.

And I'll be watching this thread closely.

Also to the RA and RD's please see my Dr. Strange Example in the thread I linked to in my above post. Dr. Strange can use Brilliant Tact while he is on a Wands of Watoomb click, which means he is using Perplex. Otherwise Brilliant Tact wouldn't activate. Source of the standard power is irrelevant to whether it is, or isn't, being used, imo.

You all know this is why the Catholic Church split years ago.
The two great factions: Atom-can-heal-nonBlack-lanterns-ism and Nuh-uh-theist

Um, Brilliant Tactician never says it has to be STANDARD perplex. Blackest night does make this distinction.

i can see everyones point but the entire concept of a special is that it isn't the standard power.

Funny, as this seems to be a case where comic book logic would actually work.

Per Wiki:

"Paradoxically, indigo light has the ability to heal individuals with great empathy and also to expose people to pain they've inflicted on other people."

But then we'd have to explain why a Kryptonite heart kills Batman and robin and has no effect on Superman. Maybe they meant Earth-a-nite (also known as a garden style rock)

Yeah, yeah, I know...

I'd just like to see things like this made concrete from the get-go.

Ah, but "INDIGO COMPASSION" is not listed on the PAC, which is the power he's using.

I'm prepared to be wrong about this... but I think Special Powers were intended to be exempt.

I'm thinking of the Ruling on Ambush, though I see how this is different because of the wording of the BFC in question, but since the BFC doesn't say that the character cannot be healed by characters Using the standard powers... just that they cannot be healed by standard powers.

So while Stealth is countered by Ambush, Special Powers that grant the use of Stealth are not countered (nor is the Stealth use somehow countered).

Well, I'd actually say that a Special Power allows a character to do something that no standard power would allow characters to do. In Atom's case he can use a standard power (Support), but always has a 12 attack.

So it allows a figure to use a standard power with one modification.

In any case, as I've said in the other thread, I've said my peace and will await an official ruling on this.

It says, when he uses support, his attack value is 12. Not when he uses Indigo Compassion.

Support is what allows the healing roll. Its a standard power that should be prevented by the BFC.

All in all, I like Omega Red with this BFC.

Let me toss this out there for people saying that Atom can heal people...

Would you say that Flash and Green Lantern can choose Support if Atom is on the same force?

I'm not sure how this should be ruled, but does
Rip Hunter add any precedence?

His SP prevents Standard Powers from being
Outwitted, but you you can still Outwit the SP,
even though it grants him the use of Standard
Powers. Presumably because
it is considered a SP and not Standard Powers.

Does this apply in some way?

You tell us!