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I'm fine with the outcome here. Do love, though, how we don't turn to the rules for continual (there is a reason continual was put in the rules even if this thread is never going to get there), but "throw" has become a game term precluding the crate from being used with TK.
From the FF rulebook (don't have access to the BN one right now), emphasis mine
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Using objects in ranged combat attacks. A
character holding an object can throw it at a single opposing character,
as shown in Figure 18; a character holding an object does not have to
attack with the object when given a ranged combat action. To throw an
object, give the character a ranged combat action, even if its range value
is 0. Regardless of the attacker’s range, light objects can be thrown 8
squares; heavy objects, 6 squares. Regardless of the attacker’s damage value,
a successful ranged combat attack with a light object deals 2 damage; a
heavy object, 3 damage.
Objects and Telekinesis
Characters that can use the Telekinesis power can move objects and
characters from a distance; they can also use objects as weapons (the
following description supplements the Telekinesis entry on the Powers and
Abilities card).
Attacking with an object using Telekinesis (option
3). To attack with an object using Telekinesis, choose an object 8 or fewer
squares away and a target opposing character 8 or fewer squares away;
the character using Telekinesis must have a clear line of fire to both the
object and the target, but the object does not affect line of fire to the
target. Make a ranged combat attack as if the character using Telekinesis
were in the square occupied by the object (as shown in Figure 20) and had
a range value of 8. The object used in the attack is destroyed, even if the
attack fails or is evaded.
Regardless of the attacker’s damage value, the target of a successful
attack using a light object is dealt 2 damage; a heavy object, 3 damage.
Clearly there is difference betwwen "throwing" an object using a ranged combat attack and TK'ing an object to use as a weapon. Nowhere in the TK explanation does it mention throw. and nothing says the crate can't be used as a weapon for a TK attack.
goldpony's opinion is obviously something that we should take seriously-hail_eris
Clearly there is difference betwwen "throwing" an object using a ranged combat attack and TK'ing an object to use as a weapon. Nowhere in the TK explanation does it mention throw. and nothing says the crate can't be used as a weapon for a TK attack.
Keep in mind I'm not arguing the outcome. The outcome is not going to change. If you TK the Bookcase, Computer, Dumpster, Light Post, Mailbox, or Soda Machine then you can use the effect. If you TK the Crate you cannot. I knew this from the start. It's not going to change. I'm just discussing an issue with the way the rules are written.
For those who don't enjoy reading those types of posts...please feel free to stop reading now.
Your answer below implies that it is none of the above and rather an attack. Is that correct?
My answer implies nothing: I straight up said (with no wiggle room for interpretation) that it is either move (with option 2) or attack (with option 3).
Telekinesis
Give this character a power action and choose one of the following options. For all options, this character must have a clear line of fire to the target and the destination square (to which the target does not affect the line of fire). This character, the target and the destination square must each be 8 or fewer squares away from one another. For options 1 and 2, a target character would need to break away and ignores the effects of elevated and hindering terrain on movement (but does not ignore the effects of opposing characters on movement). (1) Move an Opposing Character: This character makes one close combat or ranged combat attack against a single target that deals no damage. If the attack succeeds and the target has or possesses the damage symbol (but is not a multi-base figure), the target can be moved to the destination square. (2) Move an Object or a Friendly Character: This character targets an object or a friendly character (that is not a multi-base figure) and moves it to the destination square. Characters that have been moved with this power cannot use this power until the beginning of your next turn. (3) Attack with an Object: This character targets an object and must also have a clear line of fire to a single opposing character occupying the destination square as if this character occupied the target square. This character makes an attack roll against the opposing character. The target of a successful attack using a light object is dealt 2 damage; a heavy object, 3 damage.
My answer implies nothing: I straight up said (with no wiggle room for interpretation) that it is either move (with option 2) or attack (with option 3).
OK. Now we can agree the Bookcase has a Continual effect.
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BOOKCASE†
Light: Continual. Increase the attacker’s attack value by 1.
Now let's say the Bookcase was not continual, you'd argue that the attacker’s attack value still increased by 1 during a TK Option 3 attack?
Sure.
BN, page 18:
Normally, when a special object is being carried or moved, all special abilities and rules associated with it are ignored; it is only an object of its type (light or heavy). If a special object’s special ability is prefaced with the “Continual” keyword, it is not ignored while that object is being carried or moved.
Option 3 neither moves nor carries the object.
However, since Super Strength tends to be waaaaay more common than TK, any object that has some kind of special attack power is pretty much gauranteed to be continual so it can be used via Super Strength. So far, at least, all special attack types are continual.
I'm good with that. That's what I wanted to get to from the start.
So why didn't you say so? In fact, why did you argue the almost the exact opposite (that continual would somehow mean the object didn't function when TK'd)?
So why didn't you say so? In fact, why did you argue the almost the exact opposite (that continual would somehow mean the object didn't function when TK'd)?