I think it is an overly-sensitive response to my post (and perhaps a few others).

Then close this thread and read another. No one is forcing you to read this

Looks like post #15 may be the winner...

Its one of those things that to new or inexperienced players is hard to grasp, but we have seen the thread or argument on this one a million times, so it may be new to some, but to people who have been on here a while, its frustrating....I'm sure we will see this thread again, so prepare yor witty retort now.

1) Someone posts, "Can I outwit someone in stealth while adjacent?"
2) A resounding "no"
3) ...
4) Profit

@icehot: art thou the one who speakest of this, this, line of sight? then please tell me!

As far as the rules say, it is what it as...accept it please

This debate always reminds me of a similar issue back in my MechWarrior (DA) days. The special equipment Armor Piercing used to ignore the defensive equipment on the unit being attacked. That was fine and dandy for armors like light and heavy (similar to what penetrating is now). However there was a defensive equipment called Decoy, which basicly made your roll a second time to hit, and if you missed, no damage. Under the old rules AP ignored Decoy, which makes no sense from a practical/real world prospective. I heard this one a hundred times and it reminds me of the stealth/adjacent issue every time!

Then you must realize that this is a game with rules, and not everything can match your expectations for what is rational or expected. It just is what it is.

Note: When MW (AoD), a later rule set, came out they fixed AP to only work on defensive equipement that had "Armor" in the name, so there is always hope!!!

umm, maybe we should go back to the thread "remember, you were a newbie once, too.."???

Bingo...the rules (particularly Outwit) use the term Line of Fire as opposed to Line of Sight.

If you think of the rules as Line of Fire and not as Line of Sight it may help you grasp the concepts better.

If you are adjacent to Batman you can see him to punch him, so I imagine you could argue that you have Line of Sight.

However, Line of Sight has nothing to do with Outwit. You are required to have Line of Fire. Unlike the ability to see Batman to throw a punch at him, Line of Fire is blocked by Stealth and Hindering terrain regardless of your proximity to the figure.

I think we need a FAQ sticky for common questions.

1) If adjacent, can I outwit someone in stealth? A: No
2) Can I pulse wave if the only character in range is in stealth? A: Yes

Agreed.

That said, I have a difficult time qualifying someone as a "newbie" if they've been a member here since Sep 2007.

That may just be me though...

@op: I wasn't trying to be snarky with this. I was asking to ascertain if you were doing what you said you did, or if you were using the search bar in order to provide some follow-up like what normalview stated already.

Dang guys. I understand it gets annoying to see the same stuff again and again, but you guys don't need to coment. We get you don't like it. Ignore it. Guy asks for help in understanding something and you chase him away. Bad form. Just don't post. If someones new they don't know a topics been brought up the upteenth time. They just have a question. Boo guys, just boo.

What madness is this? You cannot shame satire into silence!


In all seriousness, folk need to be touch less sensitive here (or the Internet in general really). Otherwise they won't last a week.

Not trying to shame anyone into anything. People complain about people doing the same thing so they do the same thing. I have seen most of the people on this thread post the exact same thing in other threads. Just kinda funny. My issue is someone asked a question and got slammed for it. Just hate to see that is all. Sensitive or not, he got upset. Just think about that is all I ask. "With great power..." and all that jazz. :>