Yea but that is a major exception to the rule. In fact, I've literally never had that happen in over 300 trades/sales done on here. I doubt that all of my sales/other transactions are just magically that great.

There are leaps and bounds more examples of sellers being the ones deserving negative feedback.

As of right now, the buyers should be more protected than the sellers after the slew of con artists we've had in the past year. It may sound unfair, but because of these jerk offs we all suffer as a trading/selling community.

Will there be exceptions, like you have stated above, sure there always is. But I'm still very certain it was/is a rule that is listed somewhere that the seller leaves feedback when payment is received. I know I do and will continue to. Once I have your money in my hands, it's feedback time as you completed your end.


Edit: Just an FYI, I can see your point, and I agree to a certain degree. But for as long as I remember that was a rule. If it's not, or if it is, I don't think either way is wrong. So I'm going to continue to leave it when I get payment. And am not trying to force any seller to leave it right away - just saying my thoughts.

How does the seller leaving feedback early provide more protection to the buyer?

-J

Not protection, I should of left that part out. I don't know how to word it, after reading that it doesn't even come into play in this specific instance. I'm not sure where I was even going with that.

I'll boil it down to this - if it's not a rule now, it used to be one. I have always, and will continue to leave feedback when payment is received. And I can see both sides of either leaving it right away, or not. So if it's not currently a rule, then a seller can do whichever they want to. And I believe my final point is, I'm an idiot.

I would assume it would keep some sellers from retaliating against buyers who did nothing wrong.

If I paid for something promptly and communicated well and received my package will issues that warranted a bad feedback, then the Seller could just be a jerk and give me a bad feedback as well.

Having the Seller leave feedback when payment was received would remove those cases.

Darn it. If we all started our threads or posts with this statement, there would be no need for arguing on the Realm anymore..

Thank you sir.

Not remove, just shift the potential for abuse from the seller to the buyer.

Just to be clear, I think the notion of "who leaves feedback first" is childish. It does absolutely nothing to "protect" anyone, it only assumes the worst of either party.

Neither party should be leaving feedback until they're both satisfied or they've come to an impasse. At that point if either one decides to be a jerk about it the other has the communication record to support a petition for removal.

-J

I see what you're saying. However, let's assume I sell something, you pay for it the next day and I get it shipped out. Personally, I'd leave feedback because from my end, I'm satisfied. You paid me. Promptly. Doesn't matter if you choose to be a jerk or not. Whether I've left you feedback or not will likely have no effect on whether you choose to be a jerk about things.

I actually remember that being a rule and thought it was as stupid as the rule you have to put a price in your want to buy threads. I think its sad that a couple of "Prominent" posters wanted it added as a rule and it became one. When someone posts a Want to Buy thread it should be assumed they want to buy it for the lowest possible price. If I post I want a SR and willing to pay up to $25 for it, and you had the SR and would have sold it to me for $15, you will probably PM me and say I can have it for $25.

QFT

Again QFT

What if the buyer says he is going to give you negative because the figure had a paint smear or a scratch, are you ok with that?

Seriously if you don't care what kind of feedback your going to get when your a seller why do you care so much when your a buyer?

My personal opinion is feedback should be left when the transaction is completed and both parties are satisfied. That way if there is some kind of problem both parties have an interest in getting it resolved.

On a side note if your transaction has been completed and the buyer has gotten the figures and has not left you feedback its really not that hard to PM them and remind them. Keeping lists of people who have forgotten to leave you feedback so you don't trade with them again is kind of petty when a simply reminder would be a lot easier.

If I don't report any flaws in the figure and they exist...damn right I expect them to (not that I would do that). If it happens from shipping I would expect nothing worse than neutral. If I got a negative for that, I'd probably talk to one of the mods about it to at least get it shifted to neutral.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact the buyer lived up to their end of the deal.

If you really want to pursue it further, if someone's going to start throwing around negative feedback over things like that, they're going to get a reputation and a) people will be less likely to trade with them and b) their feedback is going to mean less.

How are they going to get a reputation when the seller can't leave feedback?

-J

I was using your example of the person griping about paint marks/scratches.

In my opinion the sellers end of the deal doesn't end with payment, they are also responsible for working through any problems that might arise. For example, I purchased a figure from a seller here. The package arrived quickly, but in the package was two LE figures instead of the one figure I paid for. Also, the two figures were worth more then I paid for the figure. Was my responsibility over? Can I keep the figs and leave negative because I didn't get the right thing? What if you paid for a rare and got a chase? My point is I contacted the seller and worked it out where I got a refund for the figure I paid for and mailed out the LE's to the person they were supposed to go to. In my opinion it was my responsibility as a buyer to help resolve the problem and if I had not I would not have deserved positive feedback. Was it my fault, no, but it was my responsibility to try and help solve the problem. And yes I did have the seller pay me to ship the figure to the other buyer that was his responsibility.

About the "prices in buy threads" - just put I have listed a range of price next to everything, and then just put $1-$100 on everything. I also believe that rule is completely stupid.

And the seller leaving feedback thing is all relative, because it doesn't seem like it's listed as a rule right now, so if I leave the feedback when I'm paid it's not like the buyer is going to report me. You can do it either way you want, it's not a rule either way, so it's whatever you choose to do. A buyer can't pay, then say "hey where's my feedback I paid!" because it's not even a rule anymore, as far as I can see. And a seller can leave the feedback right away if they want, because again it's not a rule.

this issue has been happening for years now. trust me.

to be honest, it shouldn't really be an issue. when people trade/sell with me, i usually make it a point to submit feedback as soon as i:
a) receive figs from a trade
b) receive money for figs

i usually make it a point to send a polite pm as a reminder since most times people are
a) too lazy to submit feedback
b) forget to submit feedback because there is life outside of heroclix

does it bother me? slightly. i've only had one occurence when another member had an issue to submit feedback (yeah, crazy i know) but other than that, no prob.

to be honest, this issue won't get resolved because:
a) it's not really an issue unless you make it one
b) most mods don't have the time to enforce it

so my advice would be to send a polite pm reminder. or several. they'll get the hint.

keep clixin', my friend.

Has this EVER happened in the history of I want to buy threads?

I've never seen one of these threads that wasn't low balling so hard it made your eyes bleed.