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The KEY difference to me for that in comparison to past colossals, such as the Spectre, is Dr. Manhattan specifies Power, Close or Ranged Combat Actions, versus other colossals specifying ANY action, which would include free actions such as Poison, or the Free Actions that grant Close Combat Attacks in powers such as Flurry or Hypersonic Speed ("After the action that dealt The Spectre damage
resolves, The Spectre immediately takes an action")
I don't think Flurry under the Blackest Night PAC would allow Spectre to retaliate after each attack, but it might let Spectre attack twice in a row.
From the Spectre Rules:
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The Spectre attacks only when it takes damage. After the action that dealt The Spectre damage resolves, The Spectre immediately takes an action, either a close combat, ranged combat, or power action.
From the Blackest Night PAC:
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FLURRY Give this character a close combat action. After the close combat attack resolves, it may make a second close combat attack as a free action. If this character loses Flurry before it makes the second attack, it can’t make the second attack.
Flurry is a close combat action that allows a close combat attack followed by a free action that allows a second close combat attack. So it would go something like this:
Close combat action begins (Flurry is activated)
Close combat attack begins
Close combat attack ends
Free action begins
Close combat attack begins
Close combat attack ends
Free action ends
Spectre retaliates
Close combat action ends
Spectre retaliates
i don't know the answer to that, but different question came up when we played this Saturday. Does Invisible Woman's power allow her to escape retribution of Dr. M's counter attack? he doesn't ignore stealth, etc, so would he ignore IW? she has some power saying she can't be targetted for a ranged attacks or something.
no he can't target her but if there is a legal target within his range he can target them. then use his SP clearing the skies to PW her off the map.
no he can't target her but if there is a legal target within his range he can target them. then use his SP clearing the skies to PW her off the map.
That's interesting. If Dr. Manhattan is 7 or more squares from Susan Richards, can he Pulse Wave her?
From the Player's Guide:
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Invisible: Any character that is 7 or more squares from Susan Richards can’t draw a line of fire to her.
From the Player's Guide:
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Give this character a ranged combat action; halve its range value until the action has been resolved. Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack. At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power. If ignoring a game effect would cause a character with a line of fire drawn to it to no longer have a line of fire drawn to it, then it is not ignored. If lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1and is locked. Make a single attack roll and compare the result to the defense value of each character with a line of fire drawn to it (hindering terrain still increases character’s defense values by +1); each character hit is dealt damage. Attacks made with this power do not target characters.
It's always been explained that Pulse Wave is done by essentially running down the power as a checklist so:
1) Give Dr. Manhattan a ranged combat action. Then halve his range value until the action has been resolved.
No problem so far.
2) Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
We know that a LOF to Susan Richards is not blocked; it simply cannot be drawn. (This is why HoT Captain America cannot draw a LOF to her.) So this would mean that if Susan Richards is 7 or more squares from Dr. Manhattan then LOF cannot be drawn to her.
3) All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack.
No LOF is drawn to her, so any of her powers, including Invisible, are not ignored.
4) At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power.
So there must be at least one opposing character with a LOF drawn to it. Susan Richards does not count.
5) If ignoring a game effect would cause a character with a line of fire drawn to it to no longer have a line of fire drawn to it, then it is not ignored.
Doesn't apply since no LOF was drawn to her in the first place.
6) If lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1and is locked.
Wouldn't apply to Susan Richards.
7) Make a single attack roll and compare the result to the defense value of each character with a line of fire drawn to it (hindering terrain still increases character’s defense values by +1); each character hit is dealt damage. Attacks made with this power do not target characters.
Since no LOF was drawn to Susan Richards, she would not be hit.
CLEAR THE SKIES: Dr. Manhattan can use Penetrating/Psychic Blast. After Dr. Manhattan uses Penetrating/Psychic Blast, he can immediately use Pulse Wave as a free action. When using Pulse Wave as a free action, Dr. Manhattan's range value is not halved, but only characters with any of the following symbols have lines of fire drawn to them: {flight},{flight-transport},{giant},{colossal}
Since his range is not halved, Susan Richards would be within Dr M's CLEAR THE SKIES range. All her Powers would be ignored for the attack.
I gotta say that she would be hit. Pulse wave ignores all powers, traits, exetera. By your explaination Question, pulse wave wouldn't work against Stealth either, but it most definately does. The only power, trait, TA, etc. that works through pulsewave to date is Uliks Defense ability, as far as I know. I would agree that you might not be able to target IW initially with Pulsewave, but if you are setting it off because of someone else and she is in the range, yeah, she's getting hit, just like all the little stealthers.
Sigh... I wish I had something clever or witty to put here...
Since his range is not halved, Susan Richards would be within Dr M's CLEAR THE SKIES range. All her Powers would be ignored for the attack.
I don't think that would change much. Step 1 (in my explanation) would be explained different, but I still don't think Dr. Manhattan can draw a LOF to Susan Richards if she is 7 or more squares away and if LOF cannot be drawn to her, then her powers cannot be ignored.
I gotta say that she would be hit. Pulse wave ignores all powers, traits, exetera. By your explaination Question, pulse wave wouldn't work against Stealth either, but it most definately does. The only power, trait, TA, etc. that works through pulsewave to date is Uliks Defense ability, as far as I know. I would agree that you might not be able to target IW initially with Pulsewave, but if you are setting it of because off someone else and she is in the range, yeah, she's getting hit, just like all the little stealthers.
Stealth works differently and nbperp has explained this. Let's look at the example with Stealth using any Pulse Waver.
1) Give Pulse Waver a ranged combat action. Then halve its range value until the action has been resolved.
No problem so far.
2) Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
Here we draw a LOF to a character in Stealth since with Stealth, hindering terrain causes the LOF to be blocked. Since the LOF is only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain, hindering terrain will not block the LOF.
3) All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack.
Since a LOF has been drawn, we now ignore all powers used by the character including Stealth.
The rest will happen as you expect because a successful LOF has been drawn and Stealth has thereby been ignored. The same does not happen wih Susan Richards.
Look at my explanation earlier and tell me which step you think has the error.
Hmmm... well I guess that makes sense... Still seems wrong to me though. Prolly more from a makes no sense place then a rules place, but there ya go. Guess it would flow around her as it nails everyone else in an all encompasing ball o' death :>
Sigh... I wish I had something clever or witty to put here...
sorry question, but you are wrong. PW doesn't need LOF it even ignores other characters. anyone with its ranges is hit. unless blocked by blocking terrain or being off the rim of elevated terrain.
2) Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
you added this part sorry. read the PAC again please.
sorry question, but you are wrong. PW doesn't need LOF....
I'm not sure why you think Pulse Wave does not need a LOF.
From the Player's Guide:
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Give this character a ranged combat action; halve its range value until the action has been resolved. Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack. At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power. If ignoring a game effect would cause a character with a line of fire drawn to it to no longer have a line of fire drawn to it, then it is not ignored. If lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1and is locked. Make a single attack roll and compare the result to the defense value of each character with a line of fire drawn to it (hindering terrain still increases character’s defense values by +1); each character hit is dealt damage. Attacks made with this power do not target characters.
It clearly says it above. (Bolded).
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... it even ignores other characters.
The reason that characters do not block the LOF is because Pulse Wave says so. (Marked in red above.) Pulse Wave says that the lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. If characters was listed there, then characters would block the LOF. Since characters are not listed there, characters do not block the LOF.
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anyone with its ranges is hit.
It doesn't say that. It says anyone with a LOF drawn to it can be hit. (See the bolded part above.)
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unless blocked by blocking terrain or being off the rim of elevated terrain.
Or by walls. But that's because it specifically says that walls, blocking and elevated terrain don't block the LOF. (See the red section above.) It doesn't deal with Susan Richards. Keep in mind that the LOF to Susan Richards is not being blocked. Rather, the LOF to Susan Richards simply cannot be drawn. These are two very different concepts.
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2) Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
you added this part sorry. read the PAC again please.
I'm not sure what you are trying to point out.
From the Player's Guide:
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Invisible: Any character that is 7 or more squares from Susan Richards can’t draw a line of fire to her.
By the way, one way around this would be for "can" (Pulse Wave) to triumph over "can't" (Susan Richards). I'm not sure if we'll get such a ruling, though.
these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
you just answered your own question here. is she a wall? no. is she blocking terrain? no.
from the rules book/ BLOCKING TERRAIN: terrain that prevents movement & an attacker from drawing a clear line of fire. squares within a brown border are blocking terrain.
her SP says wait let me paste it here.
INVISIBLE:#Any character that is 7 or more spaces from Susan Richards can't draw a line of fire to her.
doesn't anything about blocked or blocking terrain. just can't fraw a line of fire.
these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain.
you just answered your own question here. is she a wall? no. is she blocking terrain? no.
from the rules book/ BLOCKING TERRAIN: terrain that prevents movement & an attacker from drawing a clear line of fire. squares within a brown border are blocking terrain.