Oh, if only I could give you a negative rep, Harpua, for supporting the Great Satan that is Pittsburgh. Bad enough I have to be haunted by Steelers fans at home . . .

Living where you live and not liking the Steelers?!!?!?!?

I'm telling Clarkie to smack you upside the head.

actually it was mentioned in the old tourney docs i think. I think thats where people are getting the idea of using opponents dice. I use to allow that when id run events. Ya it annoyed people. But its all friends usually so wed beat up the guy who didnt allow others to use thier dice or at least give them tt twisters

Actually, as I said above, it never has been in the rules.

Regarding dice, here is the only rule in the current comprehensive tournament rules regarding dice:
As you can see, Wizkids or the venue can dictate specific dice, but there is no rule saying that your opponent has to let you use his dice at any point. I think for large events, such as GenCon, having standard dice provided is a great idea.

If only I could give YOU negative rep for that post.

I have been gone all day and just got back online...

My apologies for the earlier post, I thought I read somewhere that if you thought your opponent was using "trick" dice that you could request to use them and your opponent had to let you. I evidently was mistaken.

I do know the venue I play at, if someone requests to use my dice I have no problem letting them as I do not and never will use "Trick" dice and to me this seems the best way of keeping everyone on the up and up.

Again I apologize for my earlier post. I did not mean to mislead anyone.

E.

For the record, "Player's Privilege" isn't a real rule much of anywhere. The concept seems to have been made up for the James Bond movie, {Insert the thirteenth UA James Bond film whose name cannot be uttered on HCRealms} but since James Bond obviously wouldn't make up a rule like that, people the world over have been assuming that's just a standard rule found in all gambling and gaming venues ever since.

It isn't. It really, really isn't.

A few have started supporting it, but not many, really. It exists more in public perception than in real life.

Harpua the idea came from somewhere right? (inception?) I used to play mechwarrior maybe i seen it there. It was some sort of tournament play rules and such. It discussed more of tournament setup and map choosing and all that stuff rather than actual game play rules. Im pretty sure it was addressed in that or mentioned at least. Ive been wrong more often than not but i could almost see the words in my mind.

it was probably mechwarrior rules i seen it in.

I personally hate the idea of players being able to force each other to 'hand over their dice to their opponent' This creates conflict. If a player thinks another player is using loaded dice, they should take the Judge aside and let them know, and ask the judge to look into it. I mean, thats part of what the Judges are for, to mediate questions and make sure everyones following the rules. Unless the dice are provided by the venue, they are personal property. I'm not going to let some kid with sticky chocolate fingers roll my dice just because he 'claims' they are loaded. I'll hand them to a judge and get their ruling first, always.

This whole thing seems like one of those situations that if you have to actually make a rule about this. Something is seriously messed up. Talk to your friends, work it out. Be a good sport. For serious.

An excellent point. At your local venue, with a regular group of players, this shouldn't really ever be an issue.
Again, way back in the days of the Regional Qualifier events (usually also pre-releases) the topic came up, among those responsible for those events, on how to address perceived "funny" dice. Two solutions were recommended by the then-PTB at WizKids. One was to provide a pair of dice for each pair of players. This was eventually added to the tournament rules and is commonly done at conventions. The other was to address a specific complaint by directing that both players use the "suspect" dice. There was discussion about codifying this in tournament rules but I believe in the end it was felt that the judge had adequate discretion to do this at need without specifically documenting it. At the time we were assured that WizKids staff had our back if there was a complaint. I know I ran 5 Regionals and we announced this as a rule every time.
So, don't look for this "rule" in tournament documents: it isn't there. Not in the general rules, and not in any game specific ones. But your judge does have the authority at his discretion to mandate this solution if he feels there is a problem.

Good point. Although it could potentially be an issue at large events, at small venues, it should never really become a problem. I do still think that for large events, having standard dice provided for the tournament is the way to go.

does Wizkids/Neca actually manufacture dice?
the ones in the starters look pretty generic,
The little dice in th BN starter were prone to crit misses for me..

Doubtful.

While I never played Mechwarrior, and it did have a different rules set, all WK properties used the same Approved Play documents. Anyone who took the old Judge tests on WK can remember the two versions: you had to take the Heroclix specific test and then the general AP test... and the AP test could ask you anything about running a tournament, even a Mechwarrier or Mageknight tournament.



So since they all had the same basic AP rules, I don't know that Mechwarrior would have treated dice any differently than Heroclix.

It's probably just one of those things that everyone thinks they remember but can't really remember where they remember it from but it seems like something that should be there so we must be remembering it correctly

I would assume they purchase them from some supplier. And starter dice are notorious for having a bias for low or high rolls.
At one time the tournament documents said only starter dice were automatically approved for use, with anything else being at the judges discretion.
And of course you can ask your opponent to switch dice for any reason at all, including not liking the color. But he's under no obligation to comply unless you can persuade the judge there's an issue.