this is interestingly contradictory. since using PC is technically a free action, and normally doesn't incur taking an action token, but the themed team version of PC does, is pushing really taking place? i mean, i know youre going to say that since a second action token was placed, then this charcacter pushed, BUT, if an action token was given in the first place, becasue of the wording of themed team PC, then has an action been given, hence negating the second use of PC by the same character?

PC is not an action at all.

Yes. Any time a character gets a second action token, regardless of source, pushing occurs.

From p. 7 of the 2010 Core Rulebook"
No. The second use is still allowed. While the most common way for a character to receive an action token is from being given a non-free action, it is not the only way. Action token might be a bit of a misnomer since getting an action token is not necesarily connected to being given an action. Many effects, such as a themed team PC, assign action tokens without the character being given an action at all.

i misspoke...but thats correct. it is NOT an action. but giving it an action token is part of using a themed team PC. so in this case, still no action has taken place, even though the token has been given.

so since no action has taken place, the same character can use it again, but has to take pushing damage???

that is ridiculous. based on the previous rationale, just because a token has been given in this case, it STILL doesnt count as an action, so even though a second token has been given, why does it count as pushing? this doesnt add up. but whatever......

sorry i was typing that last one up when you were responding. i guess i forgot about incapacitate. but thats the only other game effect i can think of that forces you to take an action token without taking an action, (besides themed team PC)

What previous rationale are you refering to? The rule isn't that a second action causes pushing damge. The rule is that a second action token causes pushing damage. This is a second action token, thus pushing damage applies.

Warbound and Edward Nigma's A Man Reborn? both come to mind.

Note that through either of those effects, a character could be given two non-free actions on two consecutive turns and not take any pushing damage since the action token was passed off to a different character. It is the action token, not two consecutive non-free actions, that causes pushing damage.

Dang i keep trying to rep you but it keeps telling me to spread it around. are you the most repped man in this site or what ???

And if that character started with PC to begin with, that character could use PC three times, first with natural PC and twice more with themed PC.

And then if they had Prob Control on their dial they could use it a third time, all in the same turn.

Up to four times actually, unless the rule about when pushing occurs changed again:

1. PC via special power

2. 1st theme PC

3. 2nd theme PC

4. Regular PC (gained after pushing)

That will work in a turn, but not in a single action. The pushing from the second action token will not occur until the action is over.

As long as you have the actions and TT PCs, you could do it any number of times in one turn.

1) Regular PC
2) TT PC, apply token
3) Invigorate, remove token
4) TT PC, apply token
5) Invigorate, remove token
6) TT PC, apply token
7) ...

It's been ruled for a long time that the same power can be used twice if it comes from a different source. Harpua once had some crazy example that he used to show how The Leader could use outwit 4 times in one turn, if I remember correctly.

So using pc from the power on the dial and pc from a theme team on the same turn (or even action) makes sense in that regard. Using multiple theme team pc's with the same character is the part that still irks me, though, because I don't see how they count as being from a different source. Harpua and I had a discussion about this in a previous thread on this topic, and I still don't see how the wording in the rulebook supports the same character using theme team pc multiple times in a turn.

Yeah, there are lots of strange wordings and aspects to the rulings here. Now that we've had the discussion, and we've clarified a few outlying rules, I can totally see how it works the way it does.

Still a little funky but *shrug* eh, I've gotten used to it.

I wish everything was a little more streamlined and spelled out for written rules in the game, but I remember when Star Wars CCG did make a comprehensive rules/clarifications guide, it was like 200 pages long. Still, great reference material. Spelled out about every game function and debate like this almost definitively.

You need to rep 20 others before repping the same guy again.
And the most repped guy on the site is spike1138.