Hal Jordan.

I'm positive Superman could beat Bats in a fight, why a comic would ever feel the need to prove that is another story altoghether. If Superman was to beat Batman it wouldn't be any big deal really. The guy can catch a train. Whereas if Batman finds a way to knock supes around a bit that's pretty extraordinary.

The idea that superman is smarter than Batman is completely ridiculous. Please think before you speak.

How could anyone say Superman is. He is powerful forsure, but his weakness overpowers his strengths. Any human could take Superman down, all with a tiny piece of rock. That makes Superman look pretty bad when hes gettin beat up by normal human.

I would have to say Batman. He, with his intelect and wealth could devise a plan to take down just about anyone.

Actually it's been historically a part of his subset that he is farily intelligent, downright brilliant (his father was the leading scientist of Krypton...a planet that rates even among the Colu)...he's written like a complete moron at times in regards to his powers...but honestly so are most heroes that have any real power...though his JLA allies suffer it the most when they are around him...

I'd say Batman is more devious...we can't really compare learning speed since Supes can cheat with superspeed...but overall about the same maybe an edge to Bats in the intelligence bracket.

Don't you mean write or type?Batman fan.I am not going to argue with you all day long.Because,I know for a fact that's how long it would last.And neither of us would be convinced of the other's opinion.I have already experienced this on the Marvel forum concerning Spider-man v.s. Wolverine.So you don't think that the rays of the yellow sun affect his mind like they do his body.So what?That's your opinion.And I have mine.

His weaknesses overpower his strengths?As for as I know the only weaknesses he has are kryptonite and magic.How many weaknesses does the HUMAN Batman have?Let's see there's bullets,fire,drowning,all kinds of sharp objects,falling,suffocation,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.etc.,etc.,etc.,.In other words,just about as many weaknesses that an ordinary human would have.That goes for just about any hero or villain.I'm tired of people saying all you need is kryptonite to beat Superman.Don't you think that if Superman had half a brain he would stay away from someone who has kryptonite and attack from a distance.With heat vision,super breath.throwing objects as large and as heavy as Statue of Liberty?But no,the writer's make him seem dumb by doing stupid things like,for example,charging at Batman who happens to have a little lead box that Supes can't see through and yet he continues to come at Batman(talk about stupid)when if the writers portrayed Superman like they are supposed to as a very intelligent individual then he would stay back.I don't know anything about the Spectre,so my vote would be for Superman.But Guy Gardner?

The only problem I have about Batman is that he is over written. He is a normal person. Brilliant businessman, and intelligent detective. He can find #### about anything. Except finding stuff out and doing it are two totally different things, yet writers seem content with the fact that because Batman can find it out, he must be able to do it. Or else that in some point in his past, he learned it from a master.

A ninja has come into town and is causing chaos. No problem. Batman in his past of learning how to come back and take revenge on his father trained with ninjas and knows all their tricks and can do them. A magician has come and is stumping everyone with his houdini like powers that are theiving everything in sight. No problem. Batman also trained with a master magician and knows the answer to every trick. A chemical scientist has created a new kind of gas that is going to wipe out all of Gotham city unless he gets paid X amount of dollars. No problem. Batman has studied chemistry and has already created said agent and also a cure. A master clown has come into town and is beating up everyone with his clown-style kung-fu. No problem. Batman trained with the clown-fu masters years ago and knows all the moves.

That's the problem with Batman. He is a normal human, yet somehow in his twenty odd years of learning he has somehow learned everything and trained with everybody to become a master of everything. How does one become a master? Pretty much practice most of their lives at their chosen trade and still they may not become a master. Yet, Batman has done it for everything in twenty some. Over-written, and over-rated. If Superman wanted to kill Batman, he could. The fact that they wrote a stroy where Batman defeated him was poorly conceived and written. A terrible story.

Superman is much more intelligent than Batman. It has been shown numerous times in comics where he has built something, theorized something, etc. etc. that is far above what Batman could ever know. Oh, wait. I forgot. Batman has already studied that at the Tibetan School for the Gifted for a couple of years before moving on.

Superman is the most powerful character in the DC universe simply on strength of character. The fact that he has grown up as he did, turning out better than us normal humans will ever be, without being human and accepted as human. He accepted our ideals, our standards and exceeded at them, something that he had to do with his heart and soul, not with his powers.

Wasteland

I'd have to go with hal jordan, i'm not much of a dc guy but i do commonly read the gl flash and occasionalty supes. but what i'm sayin is he can do almost anythingwith that ring of his, supes is just real strong, involnerable, can fly, heat vision, and ice breath. so lets hit em off one by one... supes strength can be beaten because gl can always make whatever he wants, throw it harder and farther. the involneraability can be beaten by a barrier, the only bad part is a sneak attack, but i'd still have to go with gl. flight, well, again, i dont read much dc so i couldn't tell whose better at flying. heat, well, i gues supes got him there, but gl can stil defend against it. ice breath though id have to go with gl cause he can make thows nifty bubbles for the paralysism, but gl is the best, then supes, then flash, batman, then wonder woman or somethin. and if any one wants to know marvel best, its deffinately DR.DOOM!!!

Spectre is pretty powerful, but he's more of a cosmis entity than a traditional superhero. I think you have to go with Big Blue (Superman) in DC.

Or as Batman say, "he's the best he is as what he does, not at what I do."

kyle rayner is more powerful than hal jordan...

The way the writers portray superman or batman is how they really are. You can have your own imagination of how smart superman is supposed to be, but that is just your opinion. Because alot of people does mean they make batman do better things, but he still does them. As for superman's wekaness, kryptonite is a huge weakness. Batman is weak to bullets but that doesn't mean that if someone holds a gone he starts to die. If you have kryptonite all you need to do is get near superman. The thing with supes is that he is smart, but with all those powers, the tends to act before he thinks.

excuse me? what is a gone?

Batman does have alot of weaknesses, but he has found out a way to overcome them. If someone is shooting a flame thrower at him, he uses his flameratardant cape to caver himself up. If someone is shooting a gun at him, he tosses a batarang at them and knocks the gun away. If he is falling off of a really tall building he uses his grappling hook to break his fall. What I'm trying to get at is that batman has a way of overcoming his weaknesses, Superman does not.

As for what Wasteland said, that is completely true. But then that might be Batmans super power. He learns fast. What might take a normal human years to master, Bruce learns it in a year.

Uhhh...not to nitpick, but why do you think that Batman trained to take revenge on his Father?? Both his Mother and Father were gunned down in front of him as a child, so he vowed to "avenge" their deaths, by trying to clean the crime off the streets of Gotham.

The debate about who is smarter could go on and on forever. The best way to look at it, is this. Batman and Superman are both highly intelligent people, BUT, Batman has taken time to learn things from many different areas. Through intense study, Batman has not exactly "mastered" everything, but he is very high in the ranks. He also trains frequently, and is a highly analytical person, who uses all he knows to come to a conclusion. He's supposed to represent the "everyman hero". Basically anyone with alot of money could be Batman, if they wanted to be.

If you want to go on powers alone as to who is the strongest...well, I'd have to say Plastic Man. Able to mimic shapes, and just recently found out that he's immortal. I'd have to say that makes him pretty much the most powerful of the group, since the rest are pretty much all mortal.

My .02 cents worth, Canadian

Plastic Man is immortal? Woah; that completely changes the way I look at him now as a heroclix figure.