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All he has to do is move 1 square to the right (in that diagram) and then back again to Charge in on Magneto. Assuming there are no other characters he'd become adjacent to.
Er, no. There still a square of blocking terrain between them, and Juggernaut can't reach out and hit Magneto from 2 squares away. Also, moving back and forth wouldn't be movement in a straight path. A straight path would be like this: --->
Moving back and forth, the path would be this: --><--
That's not a continuous straight path.
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Vlad,
Well, I see where the wall scenario was going, but I understand it such that Juggernaut would ignore the wall for the movement portion of Charge, but he would NOT be able to ignore the wall to reach through and punch Magneto in the attack portion of Charge.
Am I right?
Once he stops moving, he stops ignoring terrain. The free close combat action from Charge is not movement.
Nothing in his text says that he stops ignoring walls/blocking terrain when he stops moving. It says "he ignores all terrain except elevated terrain for that action." The close combat action from charge is still part of the power action that was given before he started moving, so the walls would still be ignored.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Now since theres a wall there, juggernaut and magneto isn't adjacent yet.
Using juggernaut's power, would a 0 movement charge be considered a vertical/horizontal line? and thus ignoring the wall allowing juggernaut to hit magneto?
Also would juggernaut be able to charge to the left or right, 1 space, thus activating his power, ignores the wall and hit magneto.
Now since theres a wall there, juggernaut and magneto isn't adjacent yet.
Using juggernaut's power, would a 0 movement charge be considered a vertical/horizontal line? and thus ignoring the wall allowing juggernaut to hit magneto?
Also would juggernaut be able to charge to the left or right, 1 space, thus activating his power, ignores the wall and hit magneto.
no to the first because he didnt actually move and yes to the second
Now since theres a wall there, juggernaut and magneto isn't adjacent yet.
Using juggernaut's power, would a 0 movement charge be considered a vertical/horizontal line? and thus ignoring the wall allowing juggernaut to hit magneto?
Also would juggernaut be able to charge to the left or right, 1 space, thus activating his power, ignores the wall and hit magneto.
I am very interested in the answer to this question.
Er, no. There still a square of blocking terrain between them, and Juggernaut can't reach out and hit Magneto from 2 squares away. Also, moving back and forth wouldn't be movement in a straight path. A straight path would be like this: --->
Moving back and forth, the path would be this: --><--
That's not a continuous straight path.
Nothing in his text says that he stops ignoring walls/blocking terrain when he stops moving. It says "he ignores all terrain except elevated terrain for that action." The close combat action from charge is still part of the power action that was given before he started moving, so the walls would still be ignored.
My bad, I didn't realize it had to be in a straight path.
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Now since theres a wall there, juggernaut and magneto isn't adjacent yet.
Using juggernaut's power, would a 0 movement charge be considered a vertical/horizontal line? and thus ignoring the wall allowing juggernaut to hit magneto?
I had the same idea a little bit ago, and posted this very question to the deputy cave. My take on it is that 0 movement would not be in ANY direction, and would therefore not quality as a straight horizontal path. If the feedback from the other deps is that it should be ruled otherwise, I'll post here to clarify.
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Also would juggernaut be able to charge to the left or right, 1 space, thus activating his power, ignores the wall and hit magneto.
Yep.
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no to the first because he didnt actually move and yes to the second
Actually, moving 0 squares is movement. For example, see the clarification on page 4 of the player's guide. However, I do think that the answer is no, because it's not movement in a straight horizontal or vertical path.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
1.) There is a baby eating ice cream and he wants it.
2.) Vlad is leaning against the wall in the Dep Cave and thus making the action invalid.
3.) Magneto is in the bathroom, but he can hit him from the next stall.
That should be easy to remember.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Juggernaught punches his fist through the wall to hit the opponent. the wall is only destroyed if he runs through it. a fist sized hole doesn't take down the wall
Actually, that wouldn't work. Juggernaut ignores walls when he uses charge, so you treat the wall as though it isn't there. So, because the wall isn't there, he would be considered adjacent to Magneto, so he would have to stop moving.
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When Juggernaut moves up one square during charge, he and Magneto become adjacent, because he's ignoring the wall. He would have to stop moving, but then he could go ahead and make a close combat attack against Magneto (because he's still ignoring the wall). And because the wall that he was punching Magneto through wasn't crossed by his path of movement, it wouldn't even be destroyed afterward.
Wait, what? Using this ruling, Juggernaut would not be able to move down this path to X?
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Wait, what? Using this ruling, Juggernaut would not be able to move down this path to X?
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J---------X
Juggernaut stops cause he here's someone eating a donut on the other side.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
That seems to be correct, rowdyoctopus.
Juggs has a trait that he breaks away automatically, that doesn't mean he ignores characters on movement though, right?
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