So I should let you beat my Outwit Team (which is ridiculous becuase to base or center a team around any one power is a bad idea) with your Invulnerability Team?

Learn to cope!

No, you probably didn't build an outwit team. you probably built a balanced team that happens to include outwit. Like wise my "invulnerability" probably only has one invulnerable character with a variety of support characters. Probably both balanced teams with a few weaknesses. Its just once the teams are on the field its very easy for the game to degenerate into an outwit v invulnerability match up. I know how to cope, I know I have to eliminate the outwit figure and keep my secondary figures filling the lines of sight. I just don't think the game should ever get reduced to playing around one power. I don't really see any othre power that has that potential. I don't feel that the outwit v invulnerable issue is on the same level as, for instance, stealth v range. If I know I'm facing a team with any outwit, I'm probably better off building a team without invulnerability.

Its very hard for outwit to be a useless power. If you toss it on a team it will probably be useful to some degree, thats not true of every ability. And outwit is far more useful against invulnerability than most other things.

Any case this is a specific example (not really even my favorite issue to whine about). I just think its unlikely the heroclix rules have reached their final forms and while alot of the whining may be off target, I think some of it has a good chance of reflect (a possibly inspiring) rule changes.

Between the people that say outwit is borken and the people that say perplex is borken and the people that say Firelord is borken and the people that say Iceman isn't good enough or telekenesis needs to be able to be used once per turn based on your number of attacks or the people that say impervious is too weak or that impervious is too strong or people that complain about Spiral having the Doom team ability or Taskmaster having the Doom team ability or Nightcrawler is borken and shouldn't have hyper sonic speed or Iceman should not have flight or blades/claws/fangs is borken and ranged combat expert is borken and close combat expert is borken and the whole game of HERO CLIX is borken...

IT GETS A LITTLE TEDIOUS AND NITPICKY! SO ALL I AM SAYING IS LEAVE THE RULES ALONE AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. STOP TRYING TO MAKE A NEW GAME BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RULES OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE STRATEGY OR DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO FIELD A WELL-BALANCED TEAM.

Would the Joker look up at the reader and start complaining about how Batman shouldn't be able to outwit his schemes and demand the writer change Batman's abilities (actually the Joker might do that but you get the point)?

The sad fact of the matter is that all you complainers have never been taught the lesson of losing gracefully. You would rather change the rules so you can't lose than just play with good sportsmanship.

Face Facts: You will not win every time you play a game. Sometimes your team will be outwitted and it will have nothing to do with a black color on anybody's combat dial.

There would be nothing inspirational about a rules change.

I think a lot of the tension in here revolves around the different reasons people play the game.
Some people are hardcore gamers who want to have the rules finalized, set in stone, and have everybody use them. If they go to a tournament and the rules aren't exactly the way they're used to playing, they will get upset.

There are some hardcore gaming collectors who want the rules changed as they think they should be so they can go around to all the tournaments and win the LE's. They will take their FL/medic teams and stop at nothing to get that LE figure.

Then there are some (I am in this group) who just play the game for fun with friends. If they think there is one particular rule they don't think is right, they use "house rules". They put together theme teams and have a lot of X-Men vs Brotherhood battles.

As I have yet to play in a tournament, I guess what I say should be taken with a grain of salt. But I am thinking of playing in one next month and hope I meet at least a few people who enjoy the game and the characters more than just out to demoralize all opponents and win the big LE prize.

I have not yet played in a tournament.
I totally support house rules.
I totally suppport clarifications and errata.

I do not support rules changes.

I do play for fun.

What if it was one of those little bibles that you get in a motel???

Maybe the new rules BIBLE could be delivered by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

People will always complain at things they don't like or that are opposite of their tactics. Most of the people who have beef with outwit play with inv/imp. Why not use BP or FL? You would be a fool not to.

Did you forget about the Knight?No piece can duplicate the movement of the Knight!

The Knight, Chess' Veteran Hawkman.

gladiator1518 has a good point. The Queen can't move like a Knight. That must mean that the Knight is borken too. And the Pawns, whats with the Pawns. Only moving forwards, one step unless its the first? who came up with that slappy rule? If they can't even fix chess, how do people ever expect Heroclix to be perfect.

Yeah, but Pawns can do that groovy "en passant" move. Try that, Queenie!




O.K., here's what we do:

Lock Deep Blue, JonL, Garry Kasparov & Thanoseid into a room & don't let 'em out until they've fixed BOTH games :knockedou

I would like to fix HeroClix with paying off my opponents, you know, like in boxing.

I think that the 2 of spades is borken.