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I'm pretty sure the power action only applies to the special power and could not be used for Hypersonic speed. Just think how crazy the power would be if it did. He could be used every turn. You would use hypersonic speed and attack and then take him off the map. On your next turn you place him anywhere on the map with no tokens and just use the power again. That would be crazy good.
I agree that it's not meant to be a "combo", just the power action itself. But even if it was, note that you can't use the power again until he's taken damage.
Mental note: if wording is correct, play with mind controller against GSX Apocalypse. Then convince player that flash is worthy! Afterwards mind control Flash and remove from board. Next turn choose not to place him.
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When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
I agree that it's not meant to be a "combo", just the power action itself. But even if it was, note that you can't use the power again until he's taken damage.
Oops. I missed that part. Thanks. Well it's not so bad now.
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Yeah, the last thing we needed was another character that Phone Booth worked well with. I'm just glad I don't see that object at my venue. The only special objects we tend to see are Dumpsters, Generators, and Crimson Gems.
I assume its so you can't mind control him to use the power.
Mind Control, the aforementioned Possession powers of Jericho and Deadman, and the You Appear More Worthy power of Apocalypse.
Just to be facetious, since the Special Power says "remove him" and not "remove Flash", can't I just remove any male character from the board that I controlled from the start of the game? Or, since the game mechanics are never gender-specific/limiting, "him" may refer to any character, so can't I remove female Clix as well?
Just because a rule doesn't specifically say I can't do something, doesn't that mean I can interpret it to mean anything I want, right?
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I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
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With the amount of times you are Ninja'd I swear you must have the Past Keyword
When it refers to "him/her/it" it is referring to the character to which the card belongs, you could not choose another figure.
A character that does not state "give him an action and you win the game" does not mean you can give him an action and claim you won the game.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Also, just for clarification - If Flash uses Perplex or Outwit, when he leaves the map are those powers still in effect? They last until the power is countered or lost, and I don't think either really apply to simply being "off the map." I'm assuming he wouldn't be able to use PC at all.
My H/W link does not reflect the wants for my collection, it is a list of figures that I already have, but still "want" to play.
Also, just for clarification - If Flash uses Perplex or Outwit, when he leaves the map are those powers still in effect? They last until the power is countered or lost, and I don't think either really apply to simply being "off the map." I'm assuming he wouldn't be able to use PC at all.
I'm not sure if this has actually been ruled on before using the capture ability. I tried doing a search as well as checking the players guide and rulebook and came up empty so far.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
I think the confusion is coming from the fact that Time Jump is an attack special power and Hypersonic Speed is present in his Speed power at the same time.
In the case of The Flashes, "Into the Speed Force" IS the speed power, so there's no way anyone could logically think or assume he could use HSS at the same time because it isn't present on the dial at the same time as "Into the Speed Force."
I don't think you can use both, I'm just noting that's where the confusion is coming from, in my opinion. If "Time Jump" had been his speed power, this wouldn't be an issue.
It was a bad example. I started my response by saying CCE.
The problem is people's perceptions of what a power action is and what it means to give one. There is no problem with the wording.
In other words...Hypersonic Speed is NOT a power action. Hypersonic Speed IS a power which is activated by giving the figure a power action.
I'm thinking one of the reasons the line "after resolving that action" was included is so that it's clear that he still takes push damage if he pushes to use the power action to vanish from the map as some might interpret he's no longer on the map during the action.