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Alias Prerequisites: {fist} and {starburst}
Choose a character.
(Optional) This character can use Shape Change, if it cannot already.
After this Feat is used, remove it from the game.
Let me ask this. when is Alias considered used? after the role for shape change or after the action of the attacker? Would removing it from the game mean that the character that used alias would no longer have its benefit?
Similarly, Capt obvious attempted to target Col Sanders who successfully rolled SC. Can I Outwit SC and use Compel to have the Captain target the Colonel again, or is the Colonel protected from the Captain by the previously successful Shape Change roll? i don't see the effects of SC going away before the end of the turn, regardless.
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Similarly, Capt obvious attempted to target Col Sanders who successfully rolled SC. Can I Outwit SC and use Compel to have the Captain target the Colonel again, or is the Colonel protected from the Captain by the previously successful Shape Change roll? i don't see the effects of SC going away before the end of the turn, regardless.
Oh, i understand, I'm on your side and agree with you.:cross-eye
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I would disagree. You attempted to target the Colonel, he successfully rolled Shape Change and can no longer be targeted by Captain Obvious this turn. Getting the KO of Human Target shouldn't alter the effects of a SC roll that already occurred.
The more I think about it, the more I think my gut is right.
Quote : Originally Posted by 2011 PAC
SHAPE CHANGE When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attacker can’t target this character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose another target character instead. The attacker then makes the attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action resolves without an attack.
Quote : Originally Posted by 2011 rulebook, page 16
Whenever a power or ability is countered or lost, all game effects with a duration specified by that power or ability immediately end. Effects without a duration specified by that power or ability remain in play even when the power is countered or lost.
Shape Change does have a specified duration (the current turn), so its effects should end when the power is lost (when HT is KOed) and Colonel Sanders should no longer be protected.
I'm pretty sure I know the answer here, but I thought I'd throw it before the crowd.
If making a ranged attack against Human Target's adjacent ally, who succeeds on his Shape Change, is Line of Fire drawn to Human Target?
Here's an example where it matters:
. . . . . .
. . . H . .
. . h A . .
. . . . . .
. M . . . .
. . . . . .
H=Human Target
A=HT Ally
h=Square of hindering terrain
M= My attacking character.
Does Human Target get the +1 hindering terrain bonus to defense?
My answer is yes. In all ways the attack on Human Target will be normal, except that it cannot be made illegal for any game reason. conversely, in this example:
. . . . . .
. . . H . .
M . h A . .
. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . . . . .
Human Target would not get the +1 bonus, even though the initial target did.
I'd think that HT would not get hindering in the first example. The LoF is blocked. The blocked LoF makes the attack illegal. The Sp makes the attack legal with a blocked LoF. There is no bonus for having a blocked LoF. Inversely, you could think of it as never having to draw LoF to HT to begin with so there is never a LoF to cross hindering terrain and thus never a hindering terrain bonus.
Quote : Originally Posted by veritas610349
Alias Prerequisites: and
Choose a character.
(Optional) This character can use Shape Change, if it cannot already.
After this Feat is used, remove it from the game.
Let me ask this. when is Alias considered used? after the role for shape change or after the action of the attacker? Would removing it from the game mean that the character that used alias would no longer have its benefit since the effect that is granting SC is no longer there?
I think this is probably key to making a ruling. Just because the source of the SC is gone, it doesn't mean that the fig using SC can suddenly become a target of an attack during the action that caused the loss of SC.
Alias Prerequisites: and
Choose a character.
(Optional) This character can use Shape Change, if it cannot already.
After this Feat is used, remove it from the game.
Let me ask this. when is Alias considered "used" after the role for shape change or after the action of the attacker? Would removing it from the game mean that the character that used alias would no longer have its benefit since the effect that is granting SC is no longer there?
The PG has the answer to your question:
ALIAS
The feat is considered ―used‖ as soon as the character has
rolled for Shape Change. If a player opts to use the feat, but
other game effects occur such that the character is not
targeted prior to rolling for Alias (e.g., the Skrulls team
ability) then the feat is not considered used and is not
discarded.
So it would seem that after the roll you would be protected for the whole turn, even if you can't use SC anymore.
ALIAS
The feat is considered ―used‖ as soon as the character has
rolled for Shape Change. If a player opts to use the feat, but
other game effects occur such that the character is not
targeted prior to rolling for Alias (e.g., the Skrulls team
ability) then the feat is not considered used and is not
discarded.
So it would seem that after the roll you would be protected for the whole turn, even if you can't use SC anymore.
Or Alias is actually useless and requires errata.
Well there you go. I look everywhere on the realms for clarification and the one place it would be, I don't check. Its early and I have not finished my coffee.
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I agree. It's like when you hit with Flurry and the target had standard SC and took damage which led to a click without SC. Thus, he could no longer roll SC for the second attack.
You wouldn't roll SC for the second attack anyway. If he's still benefiting from the first Shape Change, he's immune to attacks from the first character for the rest of the turn. Rolling for the second attack simply isn't on the table.
However, I agree with Quebster's argument, that part of Shape Change is a limited duration effect, so would vanish when Shape Change does.
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Quote : Originally Posted by Hero_guy
I'd think that HT would not get hindering in the first example. The LoF is blocked. The blocked LoF makes the attack illegal. The Sp makes the attack legal with a blocked LoF. There is no bonus for having a blocked LoF.
That argument would have worked in earlier versions of the rules, which made it explicit that a line of fire is either clear XOR hindered XOR blocking. The current rules do not include this clause. A line of fire is labelled based on the terrain it crosses. The line of fire in the first example is both hindered and blocked. It will have the properties of a hindered and a blocked line of fire, except that it is ignoring the "makes attacks illegal" property of the blocked property set.
Quote : Originally Posted by Hero_guy
Inversely, you could think of it as never having to draw LoF to HT to begin with so there is never a LoF to cross hindering terrain and thus never a hindering terrain bonus.
This part is the part that made me doubt that I might be right. I could see this argument. However, there is nothing in the game text that says you aren't looking at the line of fire to the new target so... well, so I asked. : - )
THE HUMAN TARGET: Friendly characters adjacent to Human Target may use Shape Change if they cannot already. If a friendly adjacent character makes a successful Shape Change roll, Human Target becomes the target of that attack, even if he is otherwise an illegal target.
Anything stopping you from giving Human Target's teamate(s) camoflauge?
And then they use his trait to activate it?
Last edited by MegaLotusMan; 10/11/2011 at 17:21..