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Oh NO! The rules of Prime and Horde Token will converge and create a gaming singularity, pulling the map and it's contents into a tiny black hole, indicated by a orange outlines square left on the table...
PRIME CHARACTERS
Characters with a green ring on their base are Prime characters
THE BASE
Each character’s base is printed with important information, as shown in Figure 1. Some figures look the same and even represent the same character, but they have different combat dials. Each character’s base is printed with a set symbol that marks it as part of a particular HeroClix set, and a collector’s number to identify it.
THE COMBAT DIAL
The combat dial is the rotating disk located under a character’s base that displays numbers through its stat slot. These numbers, or combat values (Figure 2), on a character’s combat dial indicate how good the character is at accomplishing certain tasks.
BYSTANDER TOKENS
A bystander token is a character which does not have a combat dial.
BASE: The piece of plastic on which a figure is mounted.
Bystanders don't have a base. The green ring doesn't make them a prime character.
By that logic, bystander tokens don't have Range, since range is a value printed on the base, according to the rules, no point value, since that is printed on the base, etc. etc. Just do a search of the rulebook for the word "base" and bask in all the things that bystanders don't have!
So, they have no dial or base? What would their combat information be printed on then, moompix? Also, read the definition of the base again (the first one, the real one, NOT the glossary "quick definition"). A bystander token has its set symbol, collector' number, name, team abilities, and combat abilities printed right on its "not-base"? That doesn't make any sense! It is printed on a base, lacking a dial. Bystander tokens are currently prime.
Sun Tzu Clan Leader
Quote : Originally Posted by Uberman
When a game hums along, full of action and excitement, it's a barnburner!
When it trudges forward glacially, bogged down by debates over ridiculous rules minutia, it's a Barnstable!
By that logic, bystander tokens don't have Range, since range is a value printed on the base, according to the rules, no point value, since that is printed on the base, etc. etc. Just do a search of the rulebook for the word "base" and bask in all the things that bystanders don't have!
All of that stuff is taken care of by:
BYSTANDER TOKENS
A bystander token is a character which does not have a combat dial. Although a bystander token has combat values and follows all rules for HeroClix characters, it does not click. If a bystander token takes any damage, it is defeated.
Doesn't say they have a base. There is no rule that indicates a base is anything other than the piece of plastic on which a figure is mounted.
So, they have no dial or base? What would their combat information be printed on then, moompix? Also, read the definition of the base again (the first one, the real one, NOT the glossary "quick definition"). A bystander token has its set symbol, collector' number, name, team abilities, and combat abilities printed right on its "not-base"? That doesn't make any sense! It is printed on a base, lacking a dial. Bystander tokens are currently prime.
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A bystander token has its set symbol, collector' number, name, team abilities, and combat abilities printed right on its "not-base"?
That is exactly where they are printed. Just like how their powers are printed on their "not-dial".
POWERS AND ABILITIES
Powers are always printed on a combat dial, are visible through the stat slot, and are either standard powers (colored squares) or special powers (black-bordered white squares).
You are reading the glossary definition literally and the game rule definition loosely! You just have to read the glossary definition loosely, realizing the "piece of plastic" only references most characters and read the rule book definition more strictly. The oranges have ruled numerous times before the glossary is an invalid source of rules information and tells you only a beginner's-level definition while the player's guide and rule book tell you the actual rules' definitions.
Sun Tzu Clan Leader
Quote : Originally Posted by Uberman
When a game hums along, full of action and excitement, it's a barnburner!
When it trudges forward glacially, bogged down by debates over ridiculous rules minutia, it's a Barnstable!
You are reading the glossary definition literally and the game rule definition loosely! You just have to read the glossary definition loosely, realizing the "piece of plastic" only references most characters and read the rule book definition more strictly. The oranges have ruled numerous times before the glossary is an invalid source of rules information and tells you only a beginner's-level definition while the player's guide and rule book tell you the actual rules' definitions.
The part about the glossary being ruled an invalid source is untrue. The way it works is the glossary can sometimes be an incomplete source, where it conflicts with the rules, the rules take precedence. That's not the case here, because there is no rule that tells us a base is something else, or that a bystander has a base. In fact the main rules have an illustration of a base. It's figure 1.
They tell us:
CHARACTERS
HeroClix is played using collectable miniature figures standing on a base with a rotating combat dial inside. Together, the figure, base, and dial are called a character.
Standing on a base! Bystanders aren't standing on a base. The figure base and dial are separate things and together are called a character.
The glossary, without being in conflict with any of that, defines a base as the piece of plastic on which a figure is mounted.
Bystanders don't have bases, and clearly aren't prime characters.
Except, that would also mean there isn't such a thing as a unique bystander either.
So now, you have the situation were the ring on a bystander should obviously indicate uniqueness but obviously shouldn't indicate primeness.
Of course, many other people have complained about this, so I'm not saying it should be called the Suttkus rule. But I never object to having things named after me.
I can think of a few things I'd name after you'ns.