SO, can u pulse wave attrocitus when he is within 5?

No.

The PWer would possess Battle Fury. Battle Fury prevents ranged combat.

Period.

Incorrect.

You give the guy with Pulse Wave a Ranged Combat action and halve his range. He draws lines of fire to everyone within that range. If Atrocitus has a line of fire drawn to him, his trait is ignored, meaning that there is no battle fury being given to the guy with pulse wave. Then, the pulse wave guy makes his attack.

Period.

Didn't see this thread at first, so I'll move over here.


Pulsewave would ignore this trait.

because:

step 1) Give this character a ranged combat action not an attack


step 2)All game effects possessed or used by other characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved.


step 3)Make a single ranged combat attack

damn just when I thought someone found a nice way to knock it down a notch.....at least outwit still works...but if someone has a range of 8, halves it to 4, Attrocious is within 5 squares, therefore making him outta range for the PW, the character cannot use the PW right?

That would be correct.

So far, I see the reasoning for why people are backing the current line of thought.

I would like to add one argument though.

Battle Fury makes it so that the figure can't be given a ranged combat attack. Of that there is no question.

Now, from Page 9 of the 2012 Rulebook:

So my question is, if the Pulse Wave character has Battle Fury BEFORE they activate Pulse Wave, how are they able to be given a ranged combat action? The rulebook clearly states that a ranged combat action can be given to a character to activate an attack. If the Battle Fury prevents that ability to attack, should it not also prevent the ability to give the action? (Since at that moment, there can be no attack)

To me, this is similar to when you Outwit someone's Pulse Wave. I outwit Pulse Wave, then they can't say "I give the character an action to activate Pulse Wave, which then gets to ignore your Outwit power"

I realize the difference between countering a power and preventing an attack, but there is a similar timing issue involved.

I still gotta go with this guy. Granted I'm a little bias cause I want to use the Atrocitus in question to shut down the Pulse Wavers of the world.

I just went to bed, then came back because I don't think I was clear enough on my point:

You don't get to just make a ranged combat action for no reason.

For instance: You have a character with a range of 2. (Greater than 0) That character is in the middle of open clear terrain with no objects, terrain or characters to draw a line of fire to within those 2 squares. The rulebook doesn't let you give a ranged combat action because there is no attack to be made.

Battle Fury means there is no ranged attack that can be made. (It is in a different way than the above example but it is exactly the same) You can't say "But I have Pulse Wave, it will ignore the trait!", simply because you won't be able to naturally give the ranged combat action. (The rules of the game don't know you have Pulse Wave)

Battle Fury doesn't prevent ranged combat actions, only ranged combat attacks.
You can still give someone with BF a basic ranged combat action, it just won't do anything (aside from token them), since all that action does is let them make an attack, and the attack is prevented by BF.
OTOH, if you give someone a ranged combat action to activate PW, there are some other things that happen before they make the attack. These additional things may get rid of their BF by the time they actually make the attack.

In the case of Outwitting PW, it's the giving of a ranged combat action (specifically to activate PW) that's prevented, so they can't get to the additional things (which might have gotten rid of the Outwit).

Ah ok, thank you fernclogger. Now I see why people are saying it's overpowered lol.

The Joker's Embiggen interaction is a popular example, but not the only case by any means.
Try this:
Your PW figure has a range of 8. Your figure with Perplex is 2 squares away, and there are 2 opposing figures (A and B) 4 squares away and another (C) 5 squares away. You Perplex your range to 9, which means the PW range will be 5 instead of 4. Normally the Perplex would be ignored due to PW, but because ignoring it would cause C to not have LOF drawn to it the Perplex will not be ignored.

And the ATA is a game effect being used by the LoA figures, so it will be ignored by PW.

If someone could just clarify this for me, I'll ask it here, since its on topic. How exactly can you PW stealth figs or LoA/Hand figs when it says...

STEALTH When it is not your turn, hindered lines of fire drawn to this character
are blocked.

How can you draw a line to a figure that is blocked? Always been confused about it, I know it works though.

Because you ignore stealth and the ATA when you use pulse wave, so it isn't blocked. Basically, if you have a character that currently can use pulse wave, you throw the PAC, and the character cards, feats, and ATAs of anyone within range out the window. Just look at the numbers and the terrain. Unless the terrain is hindering then pretend that isn't there either.

I still feel like that's crazy. I understand totally how it works in the game, but how does one draw a line to the fig if they can't? *shrug*