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Can we get an official ruling on how this interacts with perplex? Can you perplex up his range value to get more attacks because of replace then modify? Because values cannot be lower then 0, does he get an infinite number of attacks if a) his range is perplexed up, b) the targets are next to each other, and c) he does not miss?
One more thing, his power states that for the first attack you have to use his printed damage value, what about after that? It does not say his damage value is locked nor does it say anything about his printed damage value for the subsequent attacks. Can you use enhancement and/or perplex for attacks other then the first?
Can we get an official ruling on how this interacts with perplex? Can you perplex up his range value to get more attacks because of replace then modify? Because values cannot be lower then 0, does he get an infinite number of attacks if a) his range is perplexed up, b) the targets are next to each other, and c) he does not miss?
One more thing, his power states that for the first attack you have to use his printed damage value, what about after that? It does not say his damage value is locked nor does it say anything about his printed damage value for the subsequent attacks. Can you use enhancement and/or perplex for attacks other then the first?
I'm not going to respond about perplexing range but you can't perplex the damage after te first attack because you can't perplex in the middle of an action and using that power action lets you keep attacking and when you are done attacking that is finally the end of that specific action
Add on: even for enhancement I don't believe it will work either because just activating that power makes you use his printed damage value, it doesn't say only for the first attack.
I'm not going to respond about perplexing range but you can't perplex the damage after the first attack because you can't perplex in the middle of an action and using that power action lets you keep attacking and when you are done attacking that is finally the end of that specific action
Like flurry you can't do anything until the flurry is over just this is a flurry with range that can keep going lol
Right. Obviously the perplexing would have to take place before the initial attack. It would have no effect on that first attack, but what about the ones that follow? The power says to use his printed damage for the first attack, but it does not say it is locked and it doesn't say anything about the following attacks. I would assume you have to use the printed damage all the way through, just want to make sure.
Right. Obviously the perplexing would have to take place before the initial attack. It would have no effect on that first attack, but what about the ones that follow? The power says to use his printed damage for the first attack, but it does not say it is locked and it doesn't say anything about the following attacks. I would assume you have to use the printed damage all the way through, just want to make sure.
Heck I don't blame you for asking. Plus this is just my take in it so I could be completely wrong myself, so as of now still don't take my word for it lol. I also changed my bottom half response to give more what I think about it.
Im guessing if he is bouncing back and forth between 2 people, his range would only decrease by -2, and then stay there. His range minus the number of characters hit this turn is much different than say , the number of times he has hit a character this turn.....
So if you put the belt on him and get plus 2 to stats and then perplex his range up one more time, you could essentially attack forever as long as he keeps hitting? He would have a 13 attack, 5 damage and 10 range. Every time he attacks with PB, he would then lose 1 range. However, after 7 attacks he would have a 0 range that was then modified to a 3 range. You can't keep subtracting from a 0 range but he would still have the modified range of 3. Correct?
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you use his printed damage value, so you would have an effective 3 damage. If you kept hitting different characters it is possible your range could be modified below zero far enough that with the positive modifiers you could still be an effective zero. However if you keep hitting the same 2, 3 or 4 characters, yes he could attack forever until he missed.....
Arc Lightning: Give Electro a power action and make a ranged combat attack against a single target using his printed damage value. Each time he hits, after actions resolve, he may then make a ranged combat attack as a fee action against another single target as if he occupied the previously hit characters square, replacing his range value with his printed range value minus the number of characters he has hit this turn with this power.
Usually the same free action cannot be given more than once per turn; does the wording of this power ("each time") circumvent this to allow continual attacks? Can he seriously make up to seven attacks a turn for a single power action at under 90 points?
For all intents and purposes, this is just my opinion on how this special power was intended to be used. I think that Electro, for 82 points, can attack an opposing character. If he hits, he can then roll to attack another opposing character within 6 range but can't target previous hit character. This special power does seem to indicate that Electro can use this free action several times, as long as 1- he hits, 2- opposing character is within his modified range. I don't think you can modify his damage value and I don't think it can target the same two characters more than once (but this could be debatable). Of course, this is how I feel the power was intended to be used as and does not mean it cannot be subject to interpretation. At least, this is how we will be playing it at my venue, until there is an official ruling.
For all intents and purposes, this is just my opinion on how this special power was intended to be used. I think that Electro, for 82 points, can attack an opposing character. If he hits, he can then roll to attack another opposing character within 6 range but can't target previous hit character. This special power does seem to indicate that Electro can use this free action several times, as long as 1- he hits, 2- opposing character is within his modified range. I don't think you can modify his damage value and I don't think it can target the same two characters more than once (but this could be debatable). Of course, this is how I feel the power was intended to be used as and does not mean it cannot be subject to interpretation. At least, this is how we will be playing it at my venue, until there is an official ruling.
Why would you impose a restriction on the power that is clearly not there? I mean what makes you think that the intent was to be able to not target the same character twice with this power? I realize it's just your opinion, just curious as to the logic at work here.....
For all intents and purposes, this is just my opinion on how this special power was intended to be used. I think that Electro, for 82 points, can attack an opposing character. If he hits, he can then roll to attack another opposing character within 6 range but can't target previous hit character. This special power does seem to indicate that Electro can use this free action several times, as long as 1- he hits, 2- opposing character is within his modified range. I don't think you can modify his damage value and I don't think it can target the same two characters more than once (but this could be debatable). Of course, this is how I feel the power was intended to be used as and does not mean it cannot be subject to interpretation. At least, this is how we will be playing it at my venue, until there is an official ruling.
Goog thing it IS official. See post # 13 in this thread and post #50 in this thread:
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Each time he hits, after actions resolve, he may then make a ranged combat attack as a fee action against another single target as if he occupied the previously hit characters square, replacing his range value with his printed range value minus the number of characters he has hit this turn with this power.
Well stand corrected. Then i must have electro he will be a broken piece.
The answer is not less official just because it was posted in another subforum. Bouncy bouncy!
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That settles it, I hope.
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I'm not sure how people are saying that, even with perplex, there is an infinite amount of attacks that can be made. All modifiers are applied at the same time. So he would be able to make 6 attacks + the number of perplex. And before you argue that the theoretical limit of the number of perplexes applied is unlimited, the actual number of figures that have perplex are each made in a finite quantity.