But there is no maximum now, since it's based on range and there is no maximum range. So increasing the maximum number of squares for Outwit to effect makes no sense.

Okay, cool. Thanks necrodog!

This...... does not make me happy.

I know we're all singing along with Queen (I want it all, and I want it now) but fortunately we have about 2 months before this is official, so there's some time for things to become clear and the details to shake out.

I'm loving this change. It needed to happen at some point.

here here. means some characters are actually gonna hafta come a little closer to the action to be effective (I'm looking at you Wanda... yes, you in the back!)

This is why this change is great! It now forces people to actually play with all their clicks instead of turtling your support in a safe area. This is a great change that will result in much more strategic play.

This is a pretty big nerf to most characters. I like it, however this really messes with the Hydra ata.

The maximum number of squares between an opposing character and its target when using Outwit, Perplex, or Probability Control is reduced by 1 for each friendly character using this team ability, to a minimum of 4 squares.

It is less efficient now because normally hydra is a swarm team and its crazy to pay 3 pointes for every character when you aren't reducing the the range as much as you were before.

He beat me to it.

I don't see any issue with the current wording and the new changes. When using either of these abilities, they simply apply to whatever minimums and maximums are already in place.

What maximum is in place?

Previously the maximum someone could outwit was 10 squares. Now it's completely based on range. There is no such thing as maximum range, so increasing the maximum squares to use Outwit makes so sense. They need to change the ata so it replaces/modifies the characters range value when using PC,Prob,Outwit.

And with Hydra ATA, Hydra teams could previously reduce the distance of someone using those powers from 10 to 4 squares. With it being based on range now they might not be able to reduce it all if the character using the power has a 6 range (since the minimum is 6).

So the SHIELD ata, actually is not possibly playable right now as it doesn't make sense in context. The Hydra TA is possible to play but has been severely downgraded.

Necrodog has said they're changing these though in the PG, and they're pretty simple fixes imo, so I don't think it will be a big issue.

"A character using this power must be within range (minimum range 6) and line of fire to the target."

Well, it's obvious that the current maximum range is now the character range value. Do you really need a rules change for that?
Common sense...

After relooking at it, I think there is a bigger issue than I saw at first. There was no minimum on the range of Prep, Prob or OW before only a maximum, now there is a Minimum of 6 range. The Hydra ATA wouldn't be able to reduce it to 4, on characters that are already at there minimum of 6 aren't effected at all. The ATA needs tweeked, maybe to a lower point cost of 1 or 2. Because back 3 a character on a swarm team when you can't effect a great deal of characters, seems like a waste.

And I had a dance in my pants when I read it!

Oh yeah, pants-dance, pants-dance, pants-dance!!! Oh yeah, oh yeah!

I'm just glad you kept your pants on...You did, right?

Note: Please don't tell me if you didn't. :speechles

I'll never tell!